Return-Path: Received: from [65.33.87.205] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.3) with HTTP id 2575962 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:54:25 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: turbo wastegate requirements To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.3 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Russell Duffy" <13brv3@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>I'd love to know how you're doing this, since it's exactly what I need. I've never seen any sort of valve that's referenced to MAP. The only thing I can imagine is an electric valve that's electronically controlled. <<< Since I'm nowhere near completion, this is one of those details that I've yet to work out... all I know is this is the right way to do this job and how I will attempt to setup my system. It seems to me that if the popoff valve is spring controlled, then it should be a simple thing to size and rate the spring to an absolute pressure. Let's go through this little bit of theory and you let me know where the holes are... Your recent post explained the relationship between MAP in inches of mercury and PSI of boost, that being 1psi = about 2" MAP. That says to me that at 36" MAP the deck pressure available is 18psi. Imagine that the popoff valve face has 2 square inches of surface area. Opposing that 18psi would require 9 pounds of spring pressure against the 2sqin popoff valve flapper or poppet or whatever mechanical device is used to control the MAP inside the intake manifold. Once the MAP reaches 36" (18psi) the pressure on both sides of the valve flapper are the same... if the MAP goes higher it overpowers the spring and forces the flapper door open, venting the excess pressure beyond 18PSI. If you remember that the "A" in MAP stands for absolute, we are simply defining the amount of pressure available inside the manifold. Since the spring rate is an absolute value that is unaffected by ambient pressure and the area of the valve face is fixed, I can see no mechanical reason why this shouldn't work. (This is essentially how the alternate intake air doors work on most of the Lancair IV fleet... if the air filter clogs (ices up) and causes a bit of suction inside the air box, the little spring is overpowered, the alt air door opens and allows the intake to breathe using the air available inside the cowling.) It seems a simple problem in mechanics and not one of plumbing, at least to me. What am I missing?