Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #28396
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Elippse Propeller
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:37:20 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Could be, Barry
 
I start to lose track when loads change, rpm changes and fuel consumption stays the same {:>).  Burning the same fuel would certainly imply producing the same HP (all other factors being constant).  I have recorded dozens of flights MP fuel flow and rpm, so should be able to check back and find some apple and apple comparisons.
 
You are right rpm is not the entire story as your example points out.  That is why its essentially useless to try and program the EC2 without a prop load.   RPM,airflow (manifold pressure)  and fuel flow generally tell the story (that's assuming you have the air flow/manifold pressure to combust the fuel flow).
 
ED
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Elippse Propeller

Ed,

If you're burning the same amount of fuel and the efficiency of your engine hasn't changed (i.e., BSFC constant), doesn't that just mean that you're producing the same horsepower at the higher RPM? That could be a consistent finding if your manifold pressure is lower than it used to be when you were running lower revs.

RPM isn't the whole story. For instance, one could race a car engine in neutral at high RPMs but produce very little horsepower. It's the reason that a dyno needs to put a load on the engine in order to generate a meaningful horsepower/torque curve.

Your advantage in running the higher RPMs is that you are in the higher output part of your horsepower/torque curve when you are in rev-limited situations like climbing or takeoff. And theoretically, if allowed by your prop pitch, you could generate higher maximum horsepower because you could get to the upper revs (e.g., 8500 or so) if you wanted it, subject to the limit of your prop tip speed going supersonic.

Barry Gardner
Wheaton, IL



Ed Anderson wrote:
Hi Todd,
 
Actually, No - not anything significant.  Although I now cruise at 5600 rpm vice 5200 rpm with the 2.17 the fuel burn is identical.  I think the 2.85 puts less load on the engine permitting it to turn faster at the same fuel burn.  Just a theory.
 
Ed
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 3:06 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Elippse Propeller

Hi Ed;
    I know that it has been stated in the past, but refresh my memory. Have you observed any fuel consumption change from the 2.17 to the 2.85????
Todd    (tough game tonight, so too tired to check the archives)
 
Also looking at the power difference at the two different rpms, I calculate 160 at 5200 and 180HP at 6000, whether that is  accurate absolute power it shows a possible 12.5% increase.  The disc area carved out by the 74" prop is approx 18% more although its speed is approx 13% less.  So I think more area, more HP and more pitch appears to add up in my case to considerably better low speed performance.  The top speed appears not to have changed, still a shade under 200 MPH around 197MPH for both props.
 

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