Return-Path: Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net ([68.6.19.242] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.1) with ESMTP id 2531143 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:29:33 -0400 Received: from Leonards ([68.8.0.240]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with ESMTP id <20030817122930.WBZF26347.fed1mtao03.cox.net@Leonards> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:29:30 -0400 From: "David Leonard" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: boost controllers Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 05:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c364bb$379fd730$f0000844@Leonards> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C36480.8B40FF30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C36480.8B40FF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rusty, All boost controllers I have come across work by modifying the pressure the waste gate controller is seeing to 'trick' it into either staying closed, or staying open. All waste gates will open if not kept closed by something. The spring that is used is fairly stout. It has to work against both the intake manifold pressure and the exhaust manifold pressure which are both working to open the waste gate. But don't just install a random spring - either it will be too weak to do any good, or it won't open the waste gate when it needs to and you'll blow an engine. (in other words, there is no perfect sized spring unless it is acted against by the boost pressure.) The stock waste gate controller is about as light as it gets and you shouldn't run into any problems with the ~5-7 psi it usually dishes out. But if you wanted to decrease the boost you could lengthen the actuating arm a little or change out the spring. Install the stock waste gate controller, Rusty. It does little good to have a turbo that doesn't produce any boost and you can easily control your manifold pressure with the throttle (every turbo car runs just fine idle). Also, keeping that waste gate closed at low power settings will help quiet the exhaust. David Leonard The Rotary Roster: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html Greetings, Has anyone ever seen an aftermarket boost controller that uses a motor of some sort to directly drive the wastegate? I've found a couple of controllers that will work as absolute pressure devices (HKS EVC IV atm, and EVC PRO), but they use a stepper motor as a variable air leak for the normal wastegate actuator. Even this would be a step forward, but I'd need an actuator with a light spring. Of course I can't tell how low these controllers will regulate, since they only brag about the high end. Anyway, something else to think about. Speaking of light springs in the actuator, how light could you go and still have it work? In other words, if there was nothing hooked up to the wastegate lever, would it have a tendency to open, or close? I'm guessing that it would try to open, so you need some spring pressure to hold it closed, but how much, I haven't a clue. As usual, more questions than answers... I'm starting to imagine a big RC servo being controlled by some sort of electronics connected to a MAP sensor. Hey Tracy, how about throw that into my EM-2 :-) Rusty The end is near... uhh, make that in sight :-) ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C36480.8B40FF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [FlyRotary] boost controllers

Rusty,

All boost controllers I have come = across work by modifying the pressure the waste gate controller is seeing to = ‘trick’ it into  either staying closed, or staying open.  All waste = gates will open if not kept closed by something.  The spring that is used = is fairly stout.  It has to work against both the intake manifold pressure = and the exhaust manifold pressure which are both working to open the waste = gate.  But don’t just install a random spring – either it will be too = weak to do any good, or it won’t open the waste gate when it needs to and = you’ll blow an engine. (in other words, there is no perfect sized spring unless = it is acted against by the boost pressure.)

 

The stock waste gate controller is = about as light as it gets and you shouldn’t run into any problems with = the ~5-7 psi it usually dishes out.  But if you wanted to decrease the boost = you could lengthen the actuating arm a little or change out the = spring. 

 

Install the stock waste gate = controller, Rusty.  It does little good to have a turbo that doesn’t produce any boost = and you can easily control your manifold pressure with the throttle (every = turbo car runs just fine idle).  Also, keeping that waste gate closed at = low power settings will help quiet the exhaust.

 

David Leonard

The Rotary = Roster:

http://memb= ers.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html

 

Greetings,

 

Has anyone ever seen an aftermarket boost controller = that uses a motor of some sort to directly drive the = wastegate? 

 

I've found a couple of controllers that will = work as absolute pressure devices (HKS EVC IV atm, and EVC PRO), but they use a = stepper motor as a variable air leak for the normal wastegate = actuator.  Even this would be a step forward, but I'd need an actuator with a light spring.  Of course I can't tell how low these controllers will = regulate, since they only brag about the high end.  Anyway, something else to = think about.    

 

Speaking of light springs in the actuator, how light = could you go and still have it work?  In other words, if there was = nothing hooked up to the wastegate lever, would it have a tendency to open, or close?  I'm guessing that it would try to open, so you need some = spring pressure to hold it closed, but how much, I haven't a clue.  As = usual, more questions than answers...

 

I'm starting to imagine a big RC servo being = controlled by some sort of electronics connected to a MAP sensor.  Hey Tracy, how = about throw that into my EM-2 :-)

 

Rusty

The end is near... uhh, make that in sight = :-)

 

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