Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #24556
From: al p wick <alwick@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant Leak
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:16:28 -0700
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I'm sorry Georges, I don't understand your statement.
All auto cooling sys I'm familiar with have rad cap on top of radiator. They are designed to have no air in the cooling system. Shortly after you start up the car, coolant flows from cap 14psi valve to overflow bottle. This pressure increase is entirely due to coolant expansion due to heat. When you shut car off, the pressure drop in the radiator draws in coolant from cap 1 psi valve connected to  overflow bottle back into the radiator. Thus the radiator is always full to top.
 
I'm recommending cup of air in the active cooling system, not the overflow reservoir. This is different than any modern vehicle I know of. The purpose is to allow you to use psi as indication of how safe you are from boil over and other faults. With cup-o-air, your system will very gradually increase pressure as temperature increases.
 
Check out this site. I often do.
 
 
 
 
 

-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:23:02 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" <echolakeresort@telus.net> writes:
Al
In a car if you have a header tank (expansion bottle) with a pressure cap on the bottle & not on the rad the air space will be in the bottle, if you have system with the pressure cap on the rad & no pressure cap on the bottle the air space will be in the rad. All systems in one way or an other need coolant expansion room somewhere. BTW for the theory that the coolant"vaporizes" when you first start your engine, try propylene glycol (boils at 360 deg without a  pressure cap) if you are right the "Vaporizing will stop, If.....
Georges B.
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 06/26/05 17:20:04
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant Leak
 
Actually, I think the opposite is true. I understand the auto approach is
to NOT have any air in the cooling system. I don't recall the details of
their reasoning. In my experience, the safety advantage of cup-o-air is
much more significant.
BTW, it's probably more like 2 cups. The goal is to have enough air
cushion to prevent pressure from reaching cap rating. When you include
coolant temp, fluid level, and pressure info, it really improves your
understanding of how your system is behaving.
 
If you ever open your car radiator and find air at top, it indicates a
problem with your cooling system.
 
 
 
-al wick
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, Cozy IV powered by stock Subaru 2.5
N9032U 200+ hours on engine/airframe from Portland, Oregon
Prop construct, Subaru install, Risk assessment, Glass panel design info:
 
 
 
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:15:14 -0400 "Ian Dewhirst" <ianddsl@magma.ca>
writes:
> Al, your experience with the value of having an air cushion is
> supported by
> every automotive cooling system that I have ever seen (many).
> Typically
> autos use either a pressure cap and expansion tank that is not
> filled to the
> top, or an overflow bottle into which coolant is expelled and
> recovered.  I
> get the impression that some people assume that these overflow style
> systems
> contain no vapour when cold, I don't think that assumption is
> correct.  The
> overflow systems all have expansion capacity built into the top of
> the
> radiator, or some other part of the cooling system they are never
> completely
> filled with coolant.  The bigger the cooling system the greater the
> volume
> of vapour stored cold.
>
> -- Ian
>
> (GM, Chrysler, and Ford are not trying to piss you off with those
> side
> mounted radiator caps.. ;-)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Behalf Of al p wick
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant Leak
>
>
> My focus is on flight safety. I found great value to having appx. 1
> cup
> of air at the top of my cooling system....
>
>
>
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