X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.5) with ESMTP id 1022448 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:39:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.6; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id q.1c4.2b16ee8e (4568) for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.2b16ee8e.2ff0967b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:38:35 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Single Rotor Research To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1119829115" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 -------------------------------1119829115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/26/2005 7:00:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lendich@optusnet.com.au writes: Kelly, Ah so! I wasn't aware of that one and was hoping Lynn would make some comment. Everything affects everything. Unless there is a need to operate the engine well above 9,000 RPM, there is no need to modify the exhaust port to any great extent. Later closing the exhaust port (Port cut taller) extends the open time and increases overlap with the intake ports. This is quite helpfull at very high RPM. The same for early opening of the port. (Cuting it lower) there is little to be lost here at high RPM. The available work left in the charge has been reduced to near zero, and the late opening is to help sound by allowing more complete expansion before the charge is released. Radiusing the opening lip of the port gets flow started along a smooth curve where much of the flow stays along the bottom of the runner. There is some interest in removing the exhaust flow completely before uncovering the intakes. Adding the radius along the opening line and up the sides of the port does that. Other than removing tooling marks and smoothing the top of the port there is not much to do. You don't want flow from the top of the port in either direction. So leave the top as per factory. I would reduce the chrome and iron around the port in all directions just s few thousandths to avoid any possibility of snagging an apex seal. Just a 16th of an inch or so is fine. If a chunk of anything goes through the port you can stand a burr being stood up or a scratch along the edge of the port. In the stock situation this would be seen by the next apex seal. If the surface next to the "hole" has been reduced slightly you may survive that gremlin without any drama at all. If you want more exhaust flow, you can go wider and not change port timing at all. The engine suffers from exhaust dilution of the intake charge well into the RPM range. Adding a big radius to the top of the port opening would raise the RPM where dilution more or less stops. So I see no point in changing it much. Lynn E. Hanover Yes your right the top edge of the exhaust port is correct. I had spoken to Lynn in the past on the bottom edge ( leading edge) but not the top edge - I didn't know he suggested to slightly radius that edge - if he did I can't remember. If we are singing from the same sheet of music - radiusing the top edge, does increase exhaust flow characteristics. See attached drawing. Jump inhere if you wish Lynn! George ( down under) George and All, I do not follow !! I am familar with Lynn's suggestion to add slightly more radius to what I call the top edge of the exhaust port.........Are you suggesting additional work to this edge ?? Perhaps a simple drawing would help my simple mind visualize what you are suggesting !! -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2 -------------------------------1119829115 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/26/2005 7:00:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 lendich@optusnet.com.au writes:
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Kelly,
Ah so! I wasn't aware of that one and was= hoping=20 Lynn would make some comment.
 
 
Everything affects everything. Unless there is a need to= =20 operate the engine well above 9,000 RPM, there is no need to modify the exha= ust=20 port to any great extent.
 
Later closing the exhaust port (Port cut taller) extends= the=20 open time and increases overlap with the intake ports. This is quite helpful= l at=20 very high RPM. The same for early opening of the port. (Cuting it lower) the= re=20 is little to be lost here at high RPM. The available work left in the charge= has=20 been reduced to near zero, and the late opening is to help sound by allowing= =20 more complete expansion before the charge is released. Radiusing the opening= lip=20 of the port gets flow started along a smooth curve where much of the flow st= ays=20 along the bottom of the runner. There is some interest in removing the exhau= st=20 flow completely before uncovering the intakes. Adding the radius along the=20 opening line and up the sides of the port does that.
 
Other than removing tooling marks and smoothing the top=20= of the=20 port there is not much to do. You don't want flow from the top of the port i= n=20 either direction. So leave the top as per factory. I would reduce the=20 chrome and iron  around the port in all directions just s few thousandt= hs=20 to avoid any possibility of snagging an apex seal. Just a 16th of an inch or= so=20 is fine.
 
If a chunk of anything goes through the port you can sta= nd a=20 burr being stood up or a scratch along the edge of the port. In the stock=20 situation this would be seen by the next apex seal. If the surface next= to=20 the "hole" has been reduced slightly you may survive that gremlin without an= y=20 drama at all.
 
If you want more exhaust flow, you can go wider and not=20= change=20 port timing at all.
 
The engine suffers from exhaust dilution of the intake c= harge=20 well into the RPM range. Adding a big radius to the top of the port opening=20 would raise the RPM where dilution more or less stops. So I see no point in=20 changing it much.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
 
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Yes your right the top edge of the exhaus= t port=20 is correct.
I had spoken to Lynn in the past on the b= ottom=20 edge ( leading edge) but not the top edge - I didn't know he suggested to=20 slightly radius that edge - if he did I can't remember.
 
If we are singing from the same sheet of=20= music -=20 radiusing the top edge, does increase exhaust flow=20 characteristics. See attached drawing.
Jump inhere if you wish Lynn!
George ( down under)