X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.5) with SMTP id 1021851 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:08:06 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.200; envelope-from=tim2542@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 25045 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 07:07:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (tim2542@sbcglobal.net@68.127.50.112 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 07:07:22 -0000 Message-ID: <42BE5424.8030303@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:07:16 -0700 From: Tim Andres User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant Leak References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Leonard wrote: > Ok, here is my guess: > > On 6/25/05, *John Slade* > wrote: > > OK, Dave. If that makes sense, explain this.... :) > After start-up - 29 psi (24 psi cap) > > > coolant is expanding rapidly. The pressure rating of most caps is a > rough estimate at best. It is determined by the metal spring. That > metal spring will also change the force it applies based on it's > temperature (though I am not sure which direction and how much). > > Run-up 25 PSI > > > Coolant is still expanding though possibly at a slower rate and/or the > spring is now also warm and exerting less force. > > Two trips around the pattern - zero PSI the entire time > > > Now you are getting good air flow after climb out and the temp drops a > little from its peak value, so the volume of coolant contracts and > sucks a little back in from the overflow - zero psi. > > third downwind - 8 PSI. > > > Now you have reached steady state temperature, or perhaps a second > slight rise in temp as the overall under cowl temp rises (all heat > sinks under the cowl become saturated with heat). Also, there is > continuous vaporization of the coolant, which rapidly re condenses > after leaving the hottest areas. The amount of this vaporization is a > function of the pressure and temp. So it will seek some equilibrium > at a pressure that is greater than zero. ie. more vaporization > increases the pressure, which in turn limits amount of vaporization. > > taxi back to hangar - 10 PSI. > > > Perhaps slightly warmer now (especially in those backward flying > airplanes) and the vaporization:pressure equilibrium has shifted a little. > > After cool down - coolant still full to the brim. > > > Yea, no reason for me to think you have a leak. (I can convince > myself of anything :-) > > -- > Dave Leonard > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/rotaryroster/index.html > http://members.aol.com/vp4skydoc/index.html This may be related to Al Wicks reason for running with a cup of air trapped in his system, a buffer if you will.....Tim Andres