X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net ([68.230.241.35] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 1008434 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:23:43 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.35; envelope-from=dale.r@cox.net Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.52]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050621022252.WJWR23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:22:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: Dale Rogers To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Position Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:22:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=____1119320574829_Gq-VSjYIpd" Message-Id: <20050621022252.WJWR23392.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1119320574829_Gq-VSjYIpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Rogers wrote: >Jim, > > I think you skimmed over an important qualification of >Dave's comment: > > > >>>... The worry to me here is that with the >>>TB at the other end of the runner,ie close to the port, >>> >>> > >which exactly fills this part of your analysis: >Really? Are his injectors UPstream from the throttle body? >That's what I said caused carb ice. I understood him to >say that his injectors were near (but DOWNstream from) his >throttle body. Well, I don't know, but ... what part of: >>>> ... he stated that with the injectors >>>> placed near the entry of the runners, there was considerable >>>> evaporative cooling taking place is obscure to you? That's where the overall discussion had been focused: the pro's and con's of placing the injectors at the top of the runners. Dale R. ------=____1119320574829_Gq-VSjYIpd Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"

Dale Rogers wrote:
Jim,

   I think you skimmed over an important qualification of 
Dave's comment: 

  
... The worry to me here is that with the
TB at the other end of the runner,ie close to the port, 
      

which exactly fills this part of your analysis: Really?  Are his injectors UPstream from the throttle body?  That's what I said caused carb ice.  I understood him to say that his injectors were near (but DOWNstream from) his throttle body.
.. I think carb ice is pretty much always associated with 
fuel sprayed into a venturi, and the injectors in our application are 
always downstream of the "venturi" formed by the partially open throttle.
    

Dale R.
(the world needs more Lerts ...)
 
  
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 09:18:54 EDT
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Position (was  Re:
 Makingprogress on Chris n Dave's Velocity Engine)

But wouldn't that be true of ANY injectors placed a significant distance 
from the block?  I think carb ice is pretty much always associated with 
fuel sprayed into a venturi, and the injectors in our application are 
always downstream of the "venturi" formed by the partially open throttle.
I wouldn't worry ... Jim S.

david mccandless wrote:

    
    On PL's recent PP dyno run, he stated that with the injectors
    placed near the entry of the runners, there was considerable
    evaporative cooling taking place and as the tubes were running
    very cold VE should be good. The worry to me here is that with the
    TB at the other end of the runner,ie close to the port, there is a
    real risk of ice build up on the throttle body butterfly. The old
    bugbear of carb ice is back. FWIW, Dave McC


    since the

        ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Jerry Hey
         
        based on Paul Lamar's current p port testing there is no
        problem with placing the injectors at the far end of the
        runners. This is also backed up by an article on the internet
        (How to Fabricate an Intake Manifold) The idle issue is not
        with injector location but rather with butterfly location.


      
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