X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net ([68.230.241.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.4) with ESMTP id 1008361 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:36:16 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.27; envelope-from=dale.r@cox.net Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.52]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050621013528.MLZR550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:35:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: Dale Rogers To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Position (was Re: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:35:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050621013528.MLZR550.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Jim, I think you skimmed over an important qualification of Dave's comment: >> ... The worry to me here is that with the >> TB at the other end of the runner,ie close to the port, which exactly fills this part of your analysis: > ... I think carb ice is pretty much always associated with > fuel sprayed into a venturi, and the injectors in our application are > always downstream of the "venturi" formed by the partially open throttle. Dale R. (the world needs more Lerts ...) > From: Jim Sower > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon PM 09:18:54 EDT > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel Injector Position (was Re: > Makingprogress on Chris n Dave's Velocity Engine) > > But wouldn't that be true of ANY injectors placed a significant distance > from the block? I think carb ice is pretty much always associated with > fuel sprayed into a venturi, and the injectors in our application are > always downstream of the "venturi" formed by the partially open throttle. > I wouldn't worry ... Jim S. > > david mccandless wrote: > > > On PL's recent PP dyno run, he stated that with the injectors > > placed near the entry of the runners, there was considerable > > evaporative cooling taking place and as the tubes were running > > very cold VE should be good. The worry to me here is that with the > > TB at the other end of the runner,ie close to the port, there is a > > real risk of ice build up on the throttle body butterfly. The old > > bugbear of carb ice is back. FWIW, Dave McC > > > > > > since the > > > > ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Jerry Hey > > > > based on Paul Lamar's current p port testing there is no > > problem with placing the injectors at the far end of the > > runners. This is also backed up by an article on the internet > > (How to Fabricate an Intake Manifold) The idle issue is not > > with injector location but rather with butterfly location. > > > > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >