X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail.theofficenet.com ([65.166.240.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with SMTP id 952359 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:15:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.166.240.5; envelope-from=jackoford@theofficenet.com Received: (qmail 28763 invoked from network); 22 May 2005 00:13:10 -0000 Received: from dpc691941229.direcpc.com (HELO toshibauser) (69.19.41.229) by mail.theofficenet.com with SMTP; 22 May 2005 00:13:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c55e63$3a2dcae0$0700a8c0@toshibauser> From: "Jack Ford" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Quality Assurance / Peer Review ( was: Re: Seized 13b ...) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:14:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 You're absolutely right, Dale. If I look a little stupid, it's only because I am. This is a helluva group. I can think of a whole bunch of names that I won't mention, because I know I'll miss two or three out of pure senility, who haven't flown yet or aren't through their 40 hours, who I'd be delighted to confab with in person. Even Al, who brought the subject up, hasn't flown yet. I'd be honored to have him look at my setup before I fly it, and take his every observation very seriously indeed ('course at my present pace, he'll probably be able to fly his rig up here after his first major overhaul). I think credibility can only be built by consistent success. If enough systems are reviewed by "the group" and succeed (without major problems), We'll be taken seriously by the outside world. As far as the immediate safety issues are concerned, I would like to see everybody's installation peer reviewed as extensively as possible. I'll not fly, myself, until that happens with my system. Another two cents. Jack Ford Jack Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Rogers" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Quality Assurance / Peer Review ( was: Re: Seized 13b ...) > Jack, > > Although I agree with you in principle, I don't in the > details. We have a number of very knowledgeable people > in the group, who have not yet brought the fruits of > their expertise into the air. That does not mean their > observations won't be valid. Should more weight be given > to the observations of those who are flying? In most cases, > I would. > > Dale > >> From: "Jack Ford" >> Date: 2005/05/21 Sat AM 10:39:30 EDT >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seized 13b - accident prevention >> >> MessageI'd think that a formal organization might need to be in existence >> for an insurance company to take it seriously. >> >> This may be another step towards making alternative engine installations >> routine and safe (if there's such a thing as safe). A sort of >> self-policing association. >> >> Now that it's been brought up (Thanks, Al), I wouldn't think of making a >> first flight without some experienced eyeballs taking a close looksee at >> my "perfect" installation. It would be nice to know that the inspectors >> had at least flown successfully. >> >> My two cents. >> >> Jack Ford (Rank beginner) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Russell Duffy >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:26 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Seized 13b - accident prevention >> >> >> Am I way off the mark here? Could/would this work? Are there others >> out there who would participate as "examiners"? Would you welcome such >> "look-over" on your project? Do you think it would do any good? I'd like >> some feedback on this, and then see whether it makes sense to pursue it >> any further. >> >> Hi Al, >> >> I think this is a noble effort, but I don't see that anything formal >> needs to be set up. I'd bet that anyone on this list would feel >> comfortable asking to see someone else's project, or asking to have >> someone look at theirs. >> >> Now if you could pitch this idea to the insurance companies, for a >> condition of first flight coverage, or cheaper rates, then you may be >> onto something. >> >> Cheers, >> Rusty (balance gear has arrived) >> > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >