Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #21369
From: David Carter <dcarter@datarecall.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT temps
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:51:38 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
There seem to be recurring questions about EGT - Is it too high?
 
Given the fact that EGT for a particualr engine/exhaust will vary slightly from other identical engines as a function of  "where the EGT sensor is placed ", and stating at the start that we are talking about "cruise" power settings - not "full throttle at sea level" (in other words, we are, by definition only talking about leaning at a lower power setting, with proper timing and proper octane, where there is ZERO possibility of detonation) isn't it true that if one adjusts mixture from rich to lean, that the EGT will "peak" at "best fuel-air ratio" for complete combustion, and that max power will be achieved by richening a bit from that (richen until you get max RPM for that immediate flight condition) which will result in a slight drop in EGT?  Then, if one leans back to "peak" and then continues to lean, one will get "better economy", and, again, EGT will decrease from what it was at "peak".
 
  From reading of what others have said, one can lean past "peak" maybe 50 degrees and have a safe, economical cruise setting, maybe taking a slight increase in throttel or manifold pressure to keep HP up to what you want to cruise at.
    -  The old Air Force BIG radial engines used to cruise at 80 degrees lean of peak for long flights requiring max economy.
 
A point I like to think of is that 50 or 80 degrees "from" "peak" on the rich side and on the lean side is, the same temperature.  For piston engines, running 50 deg lean of peak is the same temp as running 50 deg rich of peak, so the valves are seeing the same temp - so why are some engine "gurus" so adament about cruising 50 deg rich of peak?  It makes no sense to me.
 
So, I believe there is no such thing as "EGT too high".  There is only "peak EGT", whatever it is for  your installation.
 
David 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EGT temps

Paul,
 
My EGT temps normally range from 1450 (lean) to 1600 and have gone as high as 1750F, so no, I don't think yours are too high.  However, part of the equation is where are your EGTs located - close the ports, far from the ports?  Mine are approx 8" from the ports.
 
Mold for enlarge duct opening nearly completed today, fiberglass (ugh {:>)) tomorrow.  Then an air filter/plenum to build and I should be ready in plenty of time for the Mid-Atlantic Fly in 12 May.
 
Ed A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] EGT temps

Hi all...I flew the SQ2000 again. Engine ran great. Just flew around enjoying the thing.  After removing the thermostat, I found that upon reaching the end of the runway my water temps were only 120 degrees instead of the normal 160 to 170 degrees. Temps rose much slower than normal on climb-out.  Actually fun to fly when you don't have to keep focusing on temps all the time.  Cruising at 4500 rpm's, the temps were very cool....stabilized at around 180 degrees at 1500' AGL. Temos on the ground were around 78.  When I increased the throttle to 5300 rpm's in level flight, temps slowly started rising. I then noted the EGT at 5300 rpm's. It was 1425.  Does this sound a little too high?  If so, my mixture settings may be a little lean at those rpm's.  Just wondering what others are seeing for EFT temps for around 5300 rpm's.  Thanks in advance for any and all replies.  Paul Conner
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