Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20393
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex Seal Groove Wear
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:50:51 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Georges,
I have actually seen the rebuilds done and only what needs to be replaced is replaced - IT IS NOT REBUILT TO ORIGINAL SPECS.
 
I've seen housings with chrome missing go back into a rebuild, a bit of slop in the apex seal ( no big deal) Oil control rings go back in, apex seal go back in  - everything goes back in unless it's badly damaged. Tolerances aren't checked unless by eye it's seen to be real bad.
 
So when you buy a recently rebuilt motor, your not getting a hell of a lot, so don't pay too much for them and you won't get burnt.
 
If you think that's a bit rough, just look at the prices of new parts and what their rebuilding the motors for. Their doing rebuilds for $1,200 - the young blokes can't afford too much.  However $1,200 doesn't go too far buying new parts.
 
I figure if your paying more than $250 for an old motor, your paying too much. You have to wonder why their selling them anyway!
George ( down under)
 
 Hi! Kelly
I must of mist Lynn's VST system, I don't understand what those measurements are.  I opened another 91 13b NA today & to my dismay it was toast (supposably a Mazda rebuilt in '99)
I measured at 90deg. to the apex slots with a digital vernier caliper the reading I got on this one were from 2.26 to 2.43 mm the new 2mm seal is 1.91 to 1.94 wide, the max allowable clearance is 0.1mm therefore in this case the widest width should be 1.04mm so this slot has 0.39 mm excess wear at the slot opening. Has anyone actually measured a new rotor? I guess I will buy 2 new rotors now
Georges 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 04/17/05 15:33:47
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex Seal Groove Wear
 
Georges,
    Have you tried Lynn's VST (Vertical Seal Test) for apex slot wear and if so
what measurement did you get ? Lynn suggests that 3/16 inch (.1875 inch)
or 4.7625 mm as the outer limit........Of course after all the posts on this subject
everyone may have their own personal limit !!
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




-------------- Original message from "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" <echolakeresort@telus.net>: --------------

 Hi! Leon
You have a point regarding air filter use on water, when Mt St Helen (Washington state) erupted the first time I had a shop in Vancouver BC Canada (about 300miles away) even at that distance, one of the fleets of vehicle that we serviced had to have the air filters replaced every second day( even a week the eruption).
 I made the crack about no need for an air filter for a float plane in Canada, but actually much of the time float planes are started on the lake shores with the engine above the ground instead of the water. The other thing about air filters on an airplane, an alternate air source (like a slightly spring loaded flat) should be supplied ( in a float plane case , water could splash onto the element & freeze solid at altitude, blocking air to the intake). On the rotor apex seal subject, I agree with you regarding the amount of wear on the rotor seal slot & seal has to be a lot more than Ed's  to spit out the seals. I drove my used engine supplier nuts yesterday, measured 6 different  rotors  & all were from 2.13 to 2.28 mm, he old me they use these rotors regularly for a long time & never had a problem. Mine are 2.17 to 2.26mm, So I guess I'l have to buy new rotors.
Georges Boucher
 
 
 
 

 
 


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