X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-PolluStop-Diagnostic: (direct reply)\eX-PolluStop-Score: 0.00\eX-PolluStop: Scanned with Niversoft PolluStop 2.1 RC1, http://www.niversoft.com/pollustop Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.169.57] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c4) with ESMTP id 860475 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:07:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.169.57; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:06:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 4.174.5.48 by BAY3-DAV27.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:06:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.174.5.48] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: rule of thumb and RV-3 sizes- was Cooling Inlet Areas/Bernie's RV9 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:06:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C53B6A.3B12D7F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:06:29 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2005 16:06:31.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[C39E1FA0:01C53B8B] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C53B6A.3B12D7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThis does "sound right" but the few studies I've seen showing = the exit air temp on air cooled engines was very close to what water = cooled engines have been. My delta T air temps on my 3.75" rads is 70 - 80 degrees F at cruise, = much higher than most people assume. This is THE reason I advocate = thick rads, at least on 200 mph class aircraft. =20 Tracy The amount of heat rejected is very similiar, however the delta-T = available to drive the heat into the air is less for the Rotary than for = the air cooled engine because of the temperature limitations of the = water cooling circuit. Therefore we cannot heat the air as hot, and = therefore need more air than for a direct air-cooled engine. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rijakits=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rule of thumb and RV-3 sizes- was Cooling = Inlet Areas/Bernie's RV9 snip I mentioned that on the other list, but I was dismissed as " you = can't compare aircooled engines with a rotary".=20 I don't think there is a great difference on the amout of cooling = necessary, as the efficiency of both engines are fairly close. So some = heat goes out the exhaust and the rest has to be cooled. For sure you = need different ducting, but the amount of heat energy should be about = the same and you want to get rid of it with the least drag, either way. snip[ ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C53B6A.3B12D7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
This does "sound right"  but the few studies I've seen showing = the=20 exit air temp on air cooled engines was very close to what water cooled = engines=20 have been.
 
My delta T air temps on my 3.75" rads is 70 - 80 degrees F at=20 cruise, much higher than most people assume.  This is THE = reason I=20 advocate thick rads, at least on 200 mph class aircraft. 
 
Tracy
The amount of heat rejected is very similiar, however the delta-T = available to drive the heat into the air is less for the Rotary than = for the=20 air cooled engine because of the temperature limitations of the water = cooling=20 circuit. Therefore we cannot heat the air as hot, and therefore need = more air=20 than for a direct air-cooled engine.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
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From:=20 rijakits
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, = 2005 9:43=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rule = of thumb=20 and RV-3 sizes- was Cooling Inlet Areas/Bernie's RV9

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I mentioned = that on the=20 other list, but I was dismissed as " you can't compare aircooled = engines=20 with a rotary".
I don't think = there is a=20 great difference on the amout of cooling necessary, as the = efficiency of=20 both engines are fairly close. So some heat goes out the exhaust = and the=20 rest has to be cooled. For sure you need different ducting, = but the=20 amount of heat energy should be about the same and you want to get = rid of=20 it with the least drag, either way.
 
 
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