Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.101] (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 856313 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:25:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.101; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-185-127.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.185.127]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j35MOU0W010926 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c53a2e$3f5663a0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: class in curves Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:24:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Kevin, you are giving me more credit than deserved - I don't have any magical formula that I am keeping from you. I will have to go back to my mess of CAD drawings and see if I can find the actual CAD drawing I printed those from. Perhaps that will refresh my limited memory capacity on what I actually did. I'll let you know what I find. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin lane" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: class in curves > Ed - I can see the 7 degree tangent line concept. What I don't follow is > the idea that the next tangent comes off the prior line a certain distance > away. With these tangency origin points far apart the generated spline > curve is gentle. As the points of tangency are pushed closer together the > curve gets tighter. There must also be some ratio of delta X to delta Y > along the curve to stay within the bounds of non-separation, right? I > suppose that ration is based on air speed? > Freightliner is building a full-scale wind tunnel in Portland. I wish I > could take my plane over and see what is really going on inside. > Kevin Lane Portland, OR > e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Anderson" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:41 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: class in curves > > > > Kevin, > > > > Its been a while, but what I was doing was first, drawing an approximate > > curve based on a truncated Streamline duct. Then adjusting it mainly by > > eye > > from inlet to core to fit my space constraints. Then I used a CAD program > > to plot lines of tangent and varied from one tangent line to the next by > > approx 7 deg. (some figure from NACA wind tunnel testing data). If the > > tangent lines pretty well match my curve in a region I kept the curve, if > > it > > varied too much then I adjusted my curve (by eyeball) to more closely > > follow > > the tangent line. That's the best I can recall of the process. > > > > Ed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "kevin lane" > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:57 AM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] class in curves > > > > > >> Ed - I am building intakes right now and noticed in your photo many > > tangent > >> lines you used to derive your shapes. I'd love a quick lesson on what > >> you > >> are doing. I've been simply mocking what I think sorta' looks the same. > >> Since I am taking AutoCAD classes I could design stuff to any accuracy. > > I'm > >> guessing that your lines are some type of maximum curvature limits to > > avoid > >> separation? I always wondered how one measured degrees of curvature on a > >> curve. I know, like you don't have enough to do ! :-) > >> Kevin Lane Portland, OR > >> e-mail-> n3773@comcast.net > >> > >> > >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > > > > > > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >