Return-Path: Received: from mailout1.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 609330 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:13:50 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=61.8.0.84; envelope-from=peon@pacific.net.au Received: from mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (mailproxy1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.86]) by mailout1.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with ESMTP id j0GKDIA6009993 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:13:18 +1100 Received: from ar1 (ppp234A.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.35.74]) by mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j0GKDDj8004576 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:13:15 +1100 Message-ID: <001c01c4fc07$92bf07a0$4a23083d@ar1> From: "Leon" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 3 Rotor Balancing Stuff Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:11:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4FC63.C3DEB1D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4FC63.C3DEB1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kelly, Like making allowances for the oil capacity of the rotor, I can't tell = you ALL my secrets!! I'm pretty free with info, but this particular = one falls into the category of "trade secret". =20 Other guys make up mandrels and attach weights as is done in normal = piston engine balancing practice. But that is time consuming. One added = complication is that the rotor has the cetre of mass biased slightly on = the gear side, so even though the mass centroid co-incides with the = centre line of the eccentric journal, it's not midway ON the journal. =20 This distance varies slightly from rotor model to rotor model (the = transfer gear is the same weight, but the lighter the rotor, the more = this shifts towards to gear side, especially with rotors that have been = extensively lightened for racing. So it's far easier just to use the rotor itself (with the seals taped = in), and then we have all the masses exactly where they are supposed to = be when the engine is running. As for indexing the actual rotor, if you think about it, the centroid = of mass of the rotor, being basically an equilateral triangle, is at = the centre line of the lobe. So it doesn't matter how the rotor is = "clocked" in relationship to the eccentric lobe. (I just can't wait for = some mathematically obsessed theoretician to try to "prove" that this = isn't the case). (}:>) Cheers, Leon ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Troyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:33 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 3 Rotor Balancing Stuff=20 Leon, How are rotors kept in place on shaft and are they indexed relative to each other as they are in a running engine ? -- Kelly Troyer=20 Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2=20 -------------- Original message from "Leon" : = --------------=20 > Here's another couple of pix to show a 3 rotor being balanced. = Notice the=20 > Mallory Metal added to the front counterweight to shift the = balance axis.=20 > The factory front counterweight was originally drilled off centre = by the=20 > factory due to the rotors not all being the same weight. During = balancing,=20 > all the rotors were reduced back to the same dynamic weight as the = lightest.=20 > Then put on the shaft.=20 >=20 > Cheers,=20 >=20 > Leon ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C4FC63.C3DEB1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kelly,
 
Like making allowances for the oil = capacity of the=20 rotor,  I can't tell you ALL my secrets!!  I'm pretty free = with=20 info,  but this particular one falls into the category of "trade=20 secret". 
 
Other guys make up mandrels and attach = weights as=20 is done in normal piston engine balancing practice.  But that is = time=20 consuming. One added complication is that the rotor has the = cetre of=20 mass biased slightly on the gear side,  so even though the mass = centroid=20 co-incides with the centre line of the eccentric journal,  = it's not=20 midway ON the journal. 
 
This distance varies slightly from = rotor model=20 to rotor model (the transfer gear is the same weight,  but the = lighter the=20 rotor,  the more this shifts towards to gear side,  especially = with=20 rotors that have been extensively lightened for racing.
 
So it's far easier just to use the = rotor itself=20 (with the seals taped in),  and then we have all the masses exactly = where=20 they are supposed to be when the engine is running.
 
As for indexing the actual rotor,  = if you=20 think about it,  the centroid of mass of the rotor,  being = basically=20 an equilateral triangle,  is at the centre line of the lobe.  = So it=20 doesn't matter how the rotor is "clocked" in relationship to = the=20 eccentric lobe.  (I just can't wait for some mathematically = obsessed=20 theoretician to try to "prove" that this isn't the case). = (}:>)
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kelly = Troyer
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 = 3:33=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 3 = Rotor=20 Balancing Stuff

Leon,
   How are rotors kept in place on shaft and are they=20 indexed
relative to each other as they are in a running engine ?
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




--------------=20 Original message from "Leon" <peon@pacific.net.au>:=20 --------------


> Here's another couple of pix to show = a 3=20 rotor being balanced. Notice the
> Mallory Metal added to the = front=20 counterweight to shift the balance axis.
> The factory front=20 counterweight was originally drilled off centre by the
> = factory due=20 to the rotors not all being the same weight. During balancing, =
> all=20 the rotors were reduced back to the same dynamic weight as the = lightest.=20
> Then put on the shaft.
>
> Cheers,
> =
>=20 Leon
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