Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: flyrotary Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com ([24.93.67.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b3) with ESMTP id 2120604 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:05:27 -0400 Received: from mail3.carolina.rr.com (fe3 [24.93.67.50]) by ms-smtp-01.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h3D113hA023786 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from o7y6b5 ([24.93.78.62]) by mail3.carolina.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:02:54 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <031301c30159$cde8a980$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" X-Original-To: "flyrotary" Subject: Heavy Load +Stalled Prop+Wet Grass = Long Roll & damaged seat cushion X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:12:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thought I would share an experience I had on take off out of Shady Bend this AM. After spending a great week with Tracy and Laura due to weather over the Carolinas, I loaded up the aircraft before dawn and after cleaning off the heavy dew from the canopy, started the engine. I then taxied throught the damp grass on down to the south end of the runway for runup and takeoff.. The enginereally like the cold morning and the sea level atmosphere pressure! The engine ran up to 5900rpm - possibly even 6000 rpm at static (nominal is between 5200-5400). I thought WOW! I am going to really roll. (I had gotten this type of static rpm on other cold mornings, but once I started take off, the prop would unstall and load up dropping the rpm down to a more nominal 5300) Well, I rolled, but not quite as I had anticipated. With the engine still revving around 5900, I started my take off roll. I did notice acceleration seemed a bit on the slow side, but decided that with my heavy weight, wet grass, etc that it would pick up once the prop unstalled and loaded up. Well, the prop never unstalled and I rolled and rolled - almost decided to abort, but elected to continue the roll knowing that stopping on dew wet grass in time to avoid the (damp) overrun was problematic. I went past (not over) Tracy's house just above the roof level and kept the aircraft between the trees (centered in the overrun cleared strip) as I finally reached 80 mph and started to climb at a decent rate. Prop finally loaded at around 500 ft and 90 mph and rest of trip was uneventful. I don't think I was ever in any real danger and was above the tree line even as I kept it over the cleared part of the overrun, but it was seat cushion replacement type of excitement. The essence of the lesson is that while a stalled prop will spin a lot faster, it clearly is producing significantly less thrust than when loaded. I knew that intellectually, but now my seat cushion knows it as well. As pointed out by Tracy Crook when I related my tale, reducing the throttle sufficiently for the prop to unstall and load up might have been an action I could have taken. However, unless that thought would have occured to me way early in the take-off roll, I don't think I could have acted on the thought. Retarding the throttle would certainly have been counter intuitive even if it would have been the correct action. I had experience a similar situation one cold January morning taking off outside Atlanta. However, in that case it was on a hard surface runway and no damp grass to imped acceleration, so there was not the pucker factor as in this case. A varable pitch prop is clearly something that would eliminate the "stalled" prop situation where the angle of attack of a highly pitched prop stalls (thereby producing less thrust and less load on the engine). The Formular 1 aircraft racers frequently fly with a prop that is stalled on take off roll but unstalls and loads up once airspeed has increased, but I don't recommend the practice {:>) for general flying (at least not on damp grass strips). In any case, boys and girls, as is my normal practice, I will continue to provide you with the tales of some of my "learning" experiences. Live and Learn. So after a wonderful week at Shady Bend with Tracy and Laura, I am now back in North Carolina Best Regards Ed Ed Anderson Matthews, NC RV-6A N494BW eanderson@carolina.rr.com