Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with ESMTP id 773007 for rob@logan.com; Thu, 03 May 2001 11:58:24 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net ([207.69.200.157]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:37:59 -0400 Received: from 9x10a336 (user-2injk2c.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.208.76]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA32299 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 10:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01c0d3df$93972da0$831aecce@cardellnet.com> From: "Ed de Chazal" To: References: <20010503055228.AAA8781@pop3.olsusa.com> Subject: Re: LOP/ROP debate Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:44:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> George, thanks for your contributions here! Regarding your recommendation to run normally aspirated engines at WOT for takeoff, climb and cruise, could you elaborate a little more on why you recommend this. I think all of us were taught to pull back to 25 or 26 square shortly after takeoff. While I now understand that running over square is not the concern that we were led to believe, I understand that Lycomings have an enrichment circuit that richens the mixture at WOT. Can you confirm this for IO-360-B1F engines and if so, maybe explain how that really works. Would this circuit interfere with the leaning process? I recall when I was working on engine calibrations at Chrysler that dyno engines were most likely to detonate under WOT (high manifold pressure) and at low rpm because this led to the highest cylinder pressure. We made sure that engines leaving the factory would not detonate under any driver induced circumstances. Has Lycoming not done the same thing? Also, how are you measuring/detecting detonation - by in-cylinder pressure probes or some other means? Also, can I boil down your advice to simply: run your N.A. engine as lean as it will smoothly go and add manifold pressure to get power back. If we run out of manifold pressure, richen it to get power back subject to CHT and fuel burn tradeoffs. When stated this way, peak EGT becomes irrelevant except as a proxy for other things. Thanks, Ed de Chazal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>