Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with ESMTP id 771247 for rob@logan.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:23:47 -0400 Received: from smtp4.gateway.net ([208.230.117.248]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:17:04 -0400 Received: from f3g6s4 (1Cust106.tnt1.coeur-dalene.id.da.uu.net [63.27.107.106]) by smtp4.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA10624 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c0d146$e19491a0$6a6b1b3f@f3g6s4> Reply-To: "dfs" Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "dfs" To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: Running lean of peak Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:26:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hamid, I too have experienced the phenomenom you describe. At 35, I designed electronic stuff that the US Patent office deemed worthy of patenting (though working for a big aerospace company at the time, they were assigned to the company - I got $500 per). At 67, I have a hard time remembering my telephone number - well, almost anyway. However, having retained some thinking ability, it occurs to me that as long as an engine runs acceptably smoothly, there are probably only two fundamental differences in running ROP vs LOP. ROP, by definition, means the combustion process runs out of available oxygen before all the fuel is burned so the cylinders, and especially the exhaust valves are somewhat awash in fuel-rich, oxygen depleted exhaust gas as said gasses blast past them. The potential for oxidation of the valves from this stuff should be quite low. The excess fuel may aid in cooling things, especially the valves, which ain't all bad. LOP, on the other hand, means that the combustion process runs out of fuel before all the available oxygen is used up so the exhaust valves, are exposed to the residual oxygen in the exhaust gas. Don't know how much oxygen is actually left in the mixture as it goes out around the exhaust valve, but any apreciable amount should cause some oxidation over time where the valve and seat is the hottest. (the higher the temperature, the more vigorous the reaction, right?). Is it enough to worry about? Beats me, but it's something I'd think about when pulling the mixture control way, way back. Fortunately, I don't have to think about such things with my little Lycoming, lean just a little too much and it'll start coughing and sputtering enough to make one get religion real quick! Of course all that stops if you try to go LOP - so does the noise up front, too! Although I'm impressed about how quiet my 235 is when it's making like a 200 MPH glider, I'd rather have the noise of my engine being run somewhat ROP. Cheers, Dan Schaefer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>