Return-Path: Received: from webterminator28.CRYSTALTECH.COM ([207.254.115.29]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:23:24 -0500 Received: from ispchannel [65.11.100.86] by webterminator28.CRYSTALTECH.COM with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8EF9E60194; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:32:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c0b811$a6eeda40$56640b41@com.palto1.sfba.home.com> From: "Larry Graves" To: References: Subject: Re: Learning to fly in a Lancair - Really stupid idea? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:32:30 -0800 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Chris, I think you are a really lucky guy to be in a position to afford an airplane at the age of 23 and I want to encourage you to go for it. I wish I had been able to do that. Your e-mail seems to indicate that you have given this a lot of thought, and your thoughts and concerns all seem to be right on target. So here's my two-cents-worth: Your instructor is correct. It will take you longer to complete your flight training in the Lancair-235, and you will be developing a different set of skills in becoming proficient in this plane vs doing so in a C-150. It will also be a lot more fun if and when you become comfortable in the plane. You may want to run the numbers again to understand the true cost of owning and operating this aircraft. Measuring the costs of ownership against the costs of renting to obtain your license is a good start to see if it all makes sense financially. You must take into consideration the number of hours you anticipate flying this plane annually, the cost of hangaring or for a shelter, the fuel and oil consumption, an allowance for other consumables such as tires, light bulbs and oil filters (for example) the cost for an annual condition inspection and the inevitable repairs that accompany it, an hourly allowance to give you money for overhauling your engine at TBO, and perhaps the biggest bugaboo -- insurance. Depending upon your personal preference for coverage and on the whims and vagaries of the insurance actuarials, you may have to shop long and hard to find affordable liability and/or hull insurance. Higher deductibles will help reduce premiums, if you can get anyone to quote coverage for you. As a low-time student pilot, any insurance company willing to cover you will probably stipulate a large number of hours flying in a supervised mode (with an instructor who has in turn been checked out in the Lancair) -- which is probably OK since you are learning how to fly anyway. They may want you to build up a seemingly exhorbitant number of hours with an instructor before they will cover you in this aircraft solo. It isn't just you as a student pilot -- it's an industry-wide issue right now particularly within the experimental community. I know of lots of experienced commercial, multi-engine rated pilots with 1500 hours or more who are being quoted $5000 per year and up for premiums to cover them in Lancair-360s, and have heard of $12,000 per year premium quotes for coverage in a Lancair-IVP. Hopefully the situation will simmer down within a year or so. A Vice-President at AVEMCO told me recently that the insurance underwriters' losses on experimental aircraft had exceeded the premiums collected in each of the past couple of years now -- an unheard of and intolerable situation within the industry. A couple of things to look for in your new Lancair. You mentioned that the plane is set up with dual rudder controls. That's good, but are there dual brakes as well? Dual brakes usually means slave cylinders and a remote brake fluid reservoir; this is a more desirable setup than a single set of master cylinders each with its own fluid reservoir, on the pilot side only. In my experience, these are prone to leaking and failure without a lot of TLC, and in any aircraft that depends on differential braking for directional control on the ground, you do not want to have a brake failure, ever. Check to see if the brake system uses nylaflow lines -- it is likely to. These are OK unless the Nylaflow goes right into the brake caliper on each wheel. Nylaflow lines don't do well when heated up, and they get too hot if they are connected directly to the brake calipers. I always recommend running at least a 6-inch steel-braided Teflon-lined hose assembly (Aeroquip 666 for example) up from each caliper before joining the nylaflow in a union. Anyway, I hope this has given you more to think about and hasn't been too negative. I wish you the best of luck with your opportunity! Larry Graves AirCrafters Builder Assistance Center 140 Aviation Way, Watsonville, CA 95076 Tel: 831-722-9141 Fax: 831-722-9142 www.AirCraftersLLC.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>