Return-Path: Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:10:12 -0500 Received: from regandesigns.com (cda131-63.imbris.com [216.18.131.63]) by wind.imbris.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2MFKbK25714 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:20:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB9FBB6.C9D9D7F4@regandesigns.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:46 -0600 From: Brent Regan To: Lancair List Subject: Re:Temperatures (engine, cabin) on IVP X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Fili: It is common for an IV to climb from sea level to the flight levels without leveling off to cool. I do it frequently. I have the old style cowl outlets (not the enlarged ducts) and no gills. I do have a very tight upper plenum on my Lycoming and I use an extended climb speed of 180 KIAS which gives a ROC of about 1000 FPM (depending on load). Climb fuel flow is 28-30 GPM at 75% power, compared to a cruse flow of 21 GPH (150 degrees rich of peak TIT) af FL270. The thermal limit for climbing too fast from a hot environment is the from the fuel. Hot fuel has a higher vapor pressure and I have had to level off to let the fuel chill. IMHO, the reason that the enlarged outlets and gills worked is that the original baffling on the Continentals leaked a lot. The inlet to outlet area ratio is about right without the modifications IF all the air is going through the engine and not around it. Regarding cabin cooling, I used to operate out of the Central Valley of California where the afternoon temperatures were frequently above 100. I would taxi with the door open and latch it just before taking the active. Leaving the door seal off until about 8000 MSL would provide plenty of air flow from the tail to keep the cabin tolerable. By that time (<10 minutes) the OAT is cool enough to seal and pressurize the cabin. I have never liked air conditioning systems and can't see the benefit of carrying all that weight all the time for such a small percentage of flight time. JMHO. Some installations I have seen feature a pod slung under the belly, reportedly costing 10+- Kts and causing the engine to run hotter (lower airspeed for a given power setting = less cooling). Not an acceptable trade in my mind. If you are operating in a humid climate, don't expect an evaporative cooler to work very well and ice may be difficult to procure and keep until needed. If I had to add a cabin cooling system, I would add a second 28V 100A alternator and array 36 Peltier (70 watt) modules (solid state heat pumps) on an aluminum plate that is mounted in the upper portion of the aft pressure bulkhead. The Peltier modules would pump heat into the baggage compartment/ tail and the cabin fan would blow cool air on the faces of the passengers. A flick of a switch would turn this system into a heater and the alternator can act as a standby power source (add a couple of resistors on the regulator sense line and a switch to get 14 volts). Parts cost would be around $1,500. Heat flux would be about 6,100 BTU, which compares favorably with automotive systems that are designed for ~20,000 BTU (a much larger cabin). Just might work ;) Regards Brent Regan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>