Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com ([205.245.9.116]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:34:54 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010108144256.03e59040@olsusa.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:43:43 -0500 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: Marvin Kaye Subject: Turbines in our IV X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted on behalf of "Lance A. Neibauer" : Folks, I recently read some comments on turbines that lacked some areas of accuracy so here I go again. Other than always wanting more power, the turbines possess worth in other areas as well. The Walter run-outs from fields in outback Russia are indeed a bad idea, almost as bad as the chopped off Avia props that usually go with them. Consequently, I went straight to Walter and we've worked out a good program for factory rebuilt 601E's. 750 hp, .67 SFC's, with good ram recovery up to 400 hp at 25,000 ft., 2,000 TBO that is very realistic and 8 years (for seals etc.). Total overhauls are about 40,000, maybe less. So, cutting to the chase at the lower flight levels we typically run 265 hp with the Continental, burning around 21 gph since the Cont. doesn't care for lean of peak operations in the flight levels. That comes to about .46 sfc. The Walter will burn 26 at that power setting for a .67 sfc., 27% more fuel by gallons. If the jet fuel cost were 27% less then fuel costs would be equal. (Actually one would save considerable fuel dollars operating in Europe, Asia or South America - virtually anywhere other than good old USofA.) But, while jet fuel is generally less in the USA, it's not that much less so there is added fuel cost here but it's really not too bad. The difference is that there will be over 100 hp still available, it will run quieter and smoother. And while I can't complain at all about reliability with the Continental, there is little discussion as to the great reliability with a good turbine. By the way, cooling drag drops from significant to nearly non-existent and prop efficiency should go up. The Walters that we've selected all come with Auto-start. Push the button and in 19 seconds, it's either sitting there running and ready to go or it has shut itself down automatically. There is also a very nice braking feature available with the engine/prop. Hartzell is now building a custom prop that will be similar to that which we ran on the Tigress. Having looked seriously at all the possible turbines, this was the only one that fit - generally from a cost viewpoint. While every maker offered us a demo engine, literally all others were too expensive. The Garrett had the best sfc's being a direct drive, it's exhaust straight out the back would be a serious cabin heater, Allison was too low of hp and the new Williams - too light if you can believe that! I'd need two of them up front - hmmm? Lance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>