X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTP id 6827905 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:02:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fngbbZT085r1Bms8KptWzsphH+NHt/5tqgKGNAmuOy4ocT+q7U7w2+JHRPsowtEq; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.254.5.7] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1WZo0u-0007Yj-3x for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:02:00 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-38-442808134 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPAD for THOUGHT--take two with you Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:01:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940cd30967c76ce4cb0b6c5fe0f1a5ae8fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.254.5.7 --Apple-Mail-38-442808134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn, can you say which brand USB charger was noisy and which was not? Colyn On Apr 14, 2014, at 4:53 PM, GlennOxford64 wrote: Here are a couple of issues I have had with my iPad = Mini/Stratus2/ForeFlight combo in my 320. First: the iPad can be hard to read in many light conditions, especially = when mounted as a kneeboard. Second: regardless of outside air temps, the iPad has over heated and = shut down when in direct sunlight.=20 To address these issues, I have purchased some portable sun shades to = knock out direct sunlight. I also still use the basic Sporty's = kneeboard, but I have put some Popsicle sticks under the iPad to allow = air to circulate and keep the unit cool. I have not had the unit shut = down for overheat since I have done these two things. For some reason I ended up with 2 Sporty's double USB-cigaret lighter = adapters. This arrangement allowed me to run both the iPad and Status = from ship's power. I liked the idea of starting with a fresh, full = charge if i had an alternator problem. Electrically this worked very = well, both iPad and Stratus would slowly charge or remain fully charged. = It took quite awhile, but with the help of a friend, we determined that = both Sporty's cigaret adapters were causing so much electrical noise = that they were making the radios unusable. Changing brands of adapter = fixed that problem. A final note on redundancy: I have the Status software on my iPhone 4S. = The 4S is about the same size as the Attitude Indicator. With a old = phone case and some discrete Velcro, I have a backup attitude in the = event of a vacuum system failure that fits right over the instrument.=20 Glenn N5ZQ 25 hours LNC2 10K+ total On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Colyn Case wrote: > good idea. > a variant is to have foreflight on your iphone too. > Along the recharge path, you can get a battery to plug the ipad into = from Sporty's. Some people are now advertising 28V -> USB cigarette = lighter chargers also. >=20 > I'm not a fan of big lead/acid batteries on my side of the firewall. = Had a friend get smoked out in a T210 from a battery gone wild. He = made it but it wasn't fun. >=20 > Colyn >=20 > On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:04 PM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote: >=20 > hi there >=20 > DO YOU RELY ON AN ipad FOR NAVIGATION? >=20 > i do, and on long trips with hard IFR at the end of the trip.=20 >=20 > i keep in the plane a charged 12volt Car Starting Battery with a = provision for using a cigarette plug to charge the ipad.=20 > i have found that i can more or less maintain the ipad charge; but not = increase the ipad charge. >=20 > Thus, while addressing this problem, i had had an epiphany; why not a = second ipad. >=20 > i use the ipad for approach plates and VFR charts and most IFR plates. >=20 > Note that much of my flying is on the east coast, from New England to = the bottom of Florida and i retain 2 Charts, NE SE East Coast Jepp = chart subscription. >=20 > but if i had a ipad failure, i would have an increased load at a time = that the work load was already increasing. >=20 > Yes, i can get information from the GNS 530. but why not have = redundancy. >=20 > THINK OF IT THIS WAY: >=20 > we build our airplanes with redundant NavComs because we assume that = having a back up is a safety feature > ergo, >=20 > I HAVE PURCHASED A SECOND IPAD. >=20 > it will stay charged and powered down as a backup in case of a failure = or a low battery condition. >=20 > peter >=20 --Apple-Mail-38-442808134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Here are a = couple of issues I have had with my iPad Mini/Stratus2/ForeFlight combo = in my 320.

First: the iPad can be hard to read = in many light conditions, especially when mounted as a = kneeboard.

Second: regardless of outside air = temps, the iPad has over heated and shut down when in direct = sunlight. 

To address these issues, I have = purchased some portable sun shades to knock out direct sunlight.  I = also still use the basic Sporty's kneeboard, but I have put some = Popsicle sticks under the iPad to allow air to circulate and keep the = unit cool.  I have not had the unit shut down for overheat since I = have done these two things.

For some reason I = ended up with 2 Sporty's double USB-cigaret lighter adapters.  This = arrangement allowed me to run both the iPad and Status from ship's = power.  I liked the idea of starting with a fresh, full charge if i = had an alternator problem.  Electrically this worked very well, = both iPad and Stratus would slowly charge or remain fully charged. It = took quite awhile, but with the help of a friend, we determined that = both Sporty's cigaret adapters were causing so much electrical noise = that they were making the radios unusable.  Changing brands of = adapter fixed that problem.

A final note on = redundancy: I have the Status software on my iPhone 4S.  The 4S is = about the same size as the Attitude Indicator. With a old phone case and = some discrete Velcro, I have a backup attitude in the event of a vacuum = system failure that fits right over the = instrument. 

Glenn
N5ZQ
= 25 hours LNC2
10K+ = total


On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:22 = PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

good idea.
a variant is to have foreflight on = your iphone too.
Along the recharge path, you can get a battery to = plug the ipad into from Sporty's.   Some people are now advertising = 28V -> USB cigarette lighter chargers = also.

I'm not a fan of big lead/acid batteries = on my side of the firewall.   Had a friend get smoked out in a T210 = from a battery gone wild.   He made it but it wasn't = fun.

Colyn

On Apr 14, = 2014, at 1:04 PM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote:

hi = there

DO YOU = RELY ON AN ipad FOR NAVIGATION?

 i do, and on long = trips with hard IFR at the  end of the trip. 

 i keep in the plane a charged 12volt Car = Starting Battery with a provision for using a cigarette plug to charge = the ipad. 
i have = found that i can more or less maintain the ipad charge; but not increase = the ipad charge.

Thus, while addressing this = problem, i had had an epiphany; why = not a second ipad.

i use the ipad for approach = plates and VFR charts and most IFR plates.

Note that much of my flying is on the east coast, = from New England to the bottom of Florida and i retain 2 Charts,  = NE SE East Coast Jepp chart subscription.

but if i had a ipad failure, i would have an increased load at = a time that the work load was already increasing.

Yes, i can get information = from the GNS 530. but why not have redundancy.

THINK OF IT THIS = WAY:

we build our airplanes with = redundant NavComs because we assume that having a back up is a safety = feature
ergo,

I HAVE PURCHASED A SECOND = IPAD.

it will stay charged and powered down as a backup in case of a = failure or a low battery condition.

peter


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