X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp2v2.av-mx.com ([137.118.16.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTP id 6794198 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:28:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=137.118.16.30; envelope-from=pinetownd@volcano.net Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2v2.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A5DC80305; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at av-mx.com Received: from smtp2v2.av-mx.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2v2.av-mx.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10124) with ESMTP id 393grOtMQu5J; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.volcano.net (wm1.neonova.net [137.118.24.136]) (Authenticated sender: pinetownd@volcano.net) by smtp2v2.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 71.94.28.222 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pinetownd@volcano.net) by webmail.volcano.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <50911.71.94.28.222.1395682061.squirrel@webmail.volcano.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Legacy in Formation Flying From: "Dennis Johnson" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Cc: lml@lancaironline.net Reply-To: pinetownd@volcano.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I fly formation in my IO-550 every week or two wit an airplane with an IO-360. It took a few flights to develop standard procedures and airspeeds and now it works great. However, formation flying is not something we should teach ourselves. I learned formation flying in the Air Force and my personal rule is that I don't fly formation with pilots who haven't received proper. This was after I talked with a pilot who was flying number three in a three ship and collided with number two. They both survived, with one airplane landing in a farmer's pasture. The thing that scared me was that he blamed number two for turning too tight in a pitchout. Anyone who has been properly trained knows that one of a wingman's basic responsibilities is to avoid hitting the airplane in front of him. There are ways to get good formation training and I suggest you start there. There is a lot more to it than just stick and rudder skills. Regarding flying final at less than 100 knots, 90 knots should work if you are comfortable with it and can control you airspeed reasonably precisely. For flying behind another airplane, I assume you mean on final approach after a pitchout. Part of developing procedures for flying formation with dissimilar airplanes is figuring out the proper spacing between airplanes for landing. Figure that stuff out at altitude. Don't do it close to the ground for the first time. My advice is don't do it until you've been trained and then only fly formation with other pilots who have also received adequate training. Just back from the Continental clinic, which was great! Dennis Legacy, 700 hours >