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Take the old filter with you. They can
probably match it. Does the previous owner know the part number?
Bill
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill MacLeod
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014
1:18 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: K&N air
filters
Bill,
I only purchased my L-IV, N84PL, a year ago this coming April. It
had a fresh condition inspection including air filter change at the time.
Although I've had the cowling off several times and saw that it had a
flat ring type air filter, I've no idea what car uses that filter. Looks
like something from a '57 Chevy V8 to me. :-)
If you know what the car application is for the air filters on our
L-IVs, please tell me and I'll go down to Pep Boys and O'Reilly's and see
what's available. I'll examine them and see what appears to be best.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:47 PM, William A. Hogarty <billhogarty@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have a recommendation for a Standard L-IVP?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Bill MacLeod <macinsd@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, I did. K&N is in my neck of the woods--Southern
California. Several years ago I contacted them about
designing a filter for the Jag XKR (supercharged V8). They wanted to use
my car for the design work. I agreed and we scheduled a time for me to
drop my car off for a few day. A couple of days before I was to drop it
off, I informed them that I would be doing before and after dyno testing.
(I've been building racing and high performance engines for over 50 years
and am obsessive compulsive about testing, especially measuring the final product
with carefully controlled dyno tests. My intake and exhaust systems have
been developed with many hours of flow bench and dyno tests.) K&N
said they would the dyno testing at their facility. I told them that was
fine, but I would still be doing my own testing as I have a very solid
consistent, replicable, reliable test history on the car. They canceled the
appointment the next day, without explanation, only saying that they would
contact me in the future if they decided they needed the car. I thought
that was an interesting chain of events. I never did hear back from them.
I eventually went to another filter manufacturer that uses a few
different types of fliter media, including the oiled cotton type used by
K&N (although different from the K&N and demonstrably more efficient
and with a higher dirt capacity). I was no longer interested in the OEM
panel style filter and needed a cone style filter to fit a new obstruction-free
Mass Air Flow sensor (peripheral sensing instead of center post style). This
company had some very sophisticated testing equipment and was able to show the
differences between the filter media regarding filtering efficiency, dirt
capacity, pressure drop, etc. Although their own reusable oiled media was
clearly superior to the K&N material in all respects, I, nonetheless,
decided the replaceable cellulose media was superior in all respects. The
cellulose filters were only marginally less expensive, had higher efficiency
from the beginning and held substantially more dirt before air flow through the
filter (pressure drop) was compromised.
Although I could see no advantage to the oiled filter media--not to
mention the time consumed in cleaning and re-oiling them--I still have have
some made to satisfy the demand from those few individuals that believe all the
marketing hype and insist upon using them. I've given up trying to
confuse them with the facts.
There have been several published tests (just Google) examining the
same parameters--air flow (from clean to dirty), dirt capacity, etc., across
several brands of automotive air filters. They reveal a surprising range
of measurable differences. To briefly summarize the findings; K&N and
similar oiled fabric media filters are the worst of the group and offer no flow
advantage even when new, they usually have much less surface area (for the same
spec filter), and have a much lower efficiency when new. As the
"dirt" (a size specific test media) coats the filter, the efficiency
increases (of course) and rapidly impacts the air flow negatively. The
air flow drops at a much faster rate (less surface area) for the same amount of
dirt. This results in a much shorter life cycle between
cleanings/replacement.
I have not done this testing, other than witnessing the tests performed
by the filter manufacturer I used for my own filters, but have researched it
quite a bit and have read several of the aforementioned tests. Those
tests were pretty consistent in their results, even with some differences in
their methodology. Bottom line: don't believe all the marketing
hype, that's all it is, HYPE, not at all based upon demonstrable facts.
Yes, K&N and their ilk will keep the cats and dogs out of an engine,
but not much else. They yield no advantage over a properly sized (filter
media area) filter, capture much less dirt (over a cleaning/replacement cycle),
have a much more rapid decline in air flow and a much lower dirt holding
capacity (resulting in much shorter cleaning/replacement cycles). This is
the synopsis of what I have seen in the tests I have reviewed.
Why waste your time and money in the hopes of (unlikely) obtaining some
negligible power increase at the expense of a proven increase in engine wear?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. <N4ZQ@verizon.net> wrote:
Going back 15 plus years there are some 68,567 posts here on LML and
from what I can tell,
we now have one or two people who have recently described them as being
worthless.
Have you tried to engage in an intelligent discussion with the manufacturer?
Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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