X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 07:45:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTP id 6670032 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:16:50 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [192.168.0.15] (cpe-071-077-249-052.ec.res.rr.com [71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MYY00KVYMEL7O60@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 03:15:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-05_03:2014-01-03,2014-01-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401050258 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear References: From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9F815732-64C5-4F55-975E-E4235D1558E1 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: X-Original-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:15:56 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-9F815732-64C5-4F55-975E-E4235D1558E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reason I was considering the fork is because the holes have been drilled= out so many times before and I had to use a screw extractor to remove the h= elicoils which somewhat further enlarged the holes.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2014, at 21:47, Robert R Pastusek wrote: >=20 > George, >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t know anything about the gear/gear fairings on the ES, but i= n general, it=E2=80=99s much preferred to patch/rework the fiberglass rather= than the metal strut components. These are high-stress items, and drilling e= xtra/oversize holes in them can weaken them. Whether this is critical or not= would depend on the locations and sizes of the holes of course, but as an a= lternative to re-drilling the struts, consider cleaning the fiberglass fairi= ngs well in the area of the defective holes, and lay on a couple of bids on t= he outside, then fill the original holes with dry epoxy/flox mixture, sand t= he area flat from the inside when hard, and lay on as many bids as you need t= o strengthen the fairings and to get the fork to fit snugly inside. Then use= the original holes in the fork to mark the location of new holes in the fai= ring(s). > =20 > You might also want to consider taping the contact area of the fork with c= lear packing tape, then inserting the fork in the fairing after laying on th= e interior bids. This will cause the inside of the fairing to conform exactl= y to the fork as the bids set up and will provide a very precise interface w= hen you add the bolts later. The only issue with this process is that you mu= st precisely establish the relative position of fairing and strut before the= epoxy hardens. > =20 > In any case, consider re-working the fairings rather than the struts=E2=80= =A6these are much less critical components, and probably (?) cheaper/easier t= o replace if you really mess them up=E2=80=A6. > =20 > Bob > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Geo= rge Wehrung > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear > =20 > good idea Mark, thanks. > =20 > I got the nose wheel, fork, fairing and what not disconnected from the air= plane last night. So she is sitting propped up for now. > =20 > What I noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup is present on b= oth sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distance between the f= airing and the outside of the fork. Odly enough, the holes on both sides of= the fairing are not equal. One is more forward on one side than the other.= Also, the holes do not align properly with the drilled holes into the fork= . I bolted the fairing mounting plate to the fork and then attached the fai= ring to the fairing mounting plate on the work bench. Then I checked the si= de mounting holes of the fairing in relation to the holes drilled into the f= ork. They are off center. And because of how many times in the past it has= been attempted to repair I am having difficulty in deciding how best to rep= air it. I can see why the fairing has developed cracks in the top of it bec= ause the side bolts being forced into the fork have put strain on the top of= the fairing and thus cracking. =20 > =20 > I believe that I can still use the existing holes in the fairing but re-dr= ill into the fork using the existing holes in the fairing as a template but t= hen create new holes into the fork. However, there is a chance of overlappi= ng into the existing holes in the fork. If I did this I could then put much= larger nut plates on the fork. There might be a possibility of making a la= rger hole, rethreading the new hole and using an AN series bolt such as a 3/= 16=E2=80=9D. The bolt would be much stronger than 10x32 screw and mimic the= bolted look of the main gear fairings. This would give me the option of us= ing either a nut plate or possibly re-tapping the fork to accept the bolt th= reading. > =20 > I am just trying to save the fork and hoping to not have to remake up the f= airing spacers. > =20 > Any thoughts appreciated. > =20 > George > =20 > =20 > On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: >=20 >=20 > George, > =20 > If there's a sporting goods store where you live, they ought to be able to= sell you some lead shot. Otherwise, you could order some over the internet= . > =20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 > I guess I could empty out a few shotgun shells=E2=80=A6 > =20 > =20 > On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: >=20 >=20 > I used lead shot in resin, covered with 2-bid. >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 > Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel pants off. What did you= use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead weights? >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:42, Mark Steitle wrote: >=20 > George, > =20 > I haven't experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanced my front whe= el pant. If you haven't done that, I would highly recommend doing that, eve= n if you do shim the gear legs. > =20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards wrote: >=20 > Right under the main spar! >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 > All, > =20 > Got a pretty shimmy tonight, enough to loosen the front wheel fairings scr= ews. Also while pushing her back into the hangar I could hear a rubbing sou= nd on the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; not backing. So now it= s time to jack up the main gear and see whats going on. > =20 > I tried to search the archives to see how best to support the wings. No l= uck. > =20 > I am going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear one at a time u= sing the Lancair adapter. Then put a saw horse with carpet and foam to hold= the wing while I check the main gear for play in the legs. I suspect I may= need shims or be having wheel bearing problems. =20 > =20 > I remember reading but I don=E2=80=99t recall where to put the support und= er the wing. Unfortunately, I don=E2=80=99t have jackpoints. > =20 > Any advice? Thank you > =20 > George > =20 > =20 > On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Posted for Clark Baker : >=20 > > Hi Colyn, > > I played around with the power supplies and just ended up using a resist= or. > > Low tech and I'm the last person to give advice in this area, but it was= a > > fun project, it works well, and I learned something. Sounds like > > homebuilding! > >=20 > > Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I started it,= > > but quickly got way over my head. So, just ended up doing actual testin= g > > of the thermal properties. 0.35 amps and 0.70 amps (apprx) for the gree= n > > and red, respectively and SUPER bright (did the runway test against a > > Whelen certified setup and various long distances and perceived brightne= ss) > >=20 > >FWIW (not much) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Colyn Case wr= ote: > >=20 > >> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete. > >> ...for my home made de-ice lights with super noisy power supplies. > >> > >> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon Porter wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for the clue, Pete! Yes, all in one box, but I will re-visit th= e > >> wiring instructions for the LED lights to make sure what I did was kosh= er. > >> > >> What filters did you use? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Gordon > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pete@leapfrogventures.com [mailto:pete@leapfrogventures.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM > >> To: Gordon Porter; lml@lancaironline.net; randylsnarr@yahoo.com > >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation > >> > >> I had similar issues with LED position lights that I had built myself. > >> Noise only on the lower frequencies. It turned out the problem was on t= he > >> lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs. Because of this addin= g > >> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did nothing. I ended u= p > >> adding noise filters on the lines going to the LEDs and the problem wen= t > >> away. This was easy because mine was a home-made setup. I'm guessing y= our > >> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed package. > >> > >> Pete > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com] > >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 AM > >> To: lml@lancaironline.net > >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation > >> > >> Hi Randy. > >> > >> I have been tracking down a similar issue. Thought I had it isolated t= o > >> one > >> or both of my AFS EFIS'. Installed a pair of capacitance filters at th= e > >> advice of Aerotronics... jury still out. > >> > >> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only happened on the= low > >> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on separate antennae. V= ery > >> consistent and repeatable. > >> > >> I have Aeroleds for landing and both wing tip recognition lights...not t= he > >> strobes, just wing tip recognition lights. Aerosun, I think the model i= s. > >> > >> What freqs are you having issues on?? > >> > >> Very frustrating. > >> > >> Gordon > >> > >> ES N144GP > >> > >> > >> Gordon H. Porter > >> Managing Partner > >> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP > >> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc. > >> > >> 800-290-2632 717-757-4908 fax 717-843-0180 > >> > >> GHP@TrustedWealthAdvisors.com > >> > >> Securities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Member > >> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment Rese= arch > >> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are offer= ed > >> by > >> Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambridge > >> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated entities. > >> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored. Please call o= ur > >> office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8115 ,= > >> for > >> all buy/sell orders. Please be advised that communications regarding > >> trades > >> in your account are for informational purposes only. You should contin= ue > >> to > >> rely on confirmations and statements received from the > >> custodian(s) of your assets. The text of this communication is > >> confidential, and use by any person who is not the intended recipient i= s > >> prohibited. Any person who receives this communication in error is > >> requested to immediately destroy the text of this communication without= > >> copying or further dissemination. Your cooperation is appreciated. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM > >> To: lml@lancaironline.net > >> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation > >> > >> Joe , do you get any interference in your radios with these lights? > >> I installed similar lights a year ago and it causes reception issues at= > >> times on some frequencies. Curios if you experienced the same issue...= > >> I would also be interested if anyone else has any suggestions on how to= > >> resolve this.. > >> Thx! > >> Randy Snarr > >> 235/320 > >> N694RS > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> For archives and unsub > >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > >> > >> > >> -- > >> For archives and unsub > >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > >> > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Clark Baker > >=20 > > mobile: +44 7557 804 630 > >=20 > > bakercdb@gmail.com >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-9F815732-64C5-4F55-975E-E4235D1558E1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The reason I was considering the fork i= s because the holes have been drilled out so many times before and I had to u= se a screw extractor to remove the helicoils which somewhat further enlarged= the holes. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 5, 2014, a= t 21:47, Robert R Pastusek <rpastus= ek@htii.com> wrote:

=

George,


I don=E2=80=99t know anything about the gear/gear fairings on the ES, but in= general, it=E2=80=99s much preferred to patch/rework the fiberglass rather t= han the metal strut components. These are high-stress items, and drilling ex= tra/oversize holes in them can weaken them. Whether this is critical or not would depend on the locations and sizes of t= he holes of course, but as an alternative to re-drilling the struts, conside= r cleaning the fiberglass fairings well in the area of the defective holes, a= nd lay on a couple of bids on the outside, then fill the original holes with dry epoxy/flox mixture, sand the area flat from the inside when hard, a= nd lay on as many bids as you need to strengthen the fairings and to get the= fork to fit snugly inside. Then use the original holes in the fork to mark the location of new holes in the= fairing(s).

 

You might also want to consider taping the contact are= a of the fork with clear packing tape, then inserting the fork in the fairing after laying on the interior bids. This will cause the insid= e of the fairing to conform exactly to the fork as the bids set up and will p= rovide a very precise interface when you add the bolts later. The only issue= with this process is that you must precisely establish the relative position of fairing and strut before t= he epoxy hardens.

 

In any case, consider re-working the fairings rather t= han the struts=E2=80=A6these are much less critical components, and probably= (?) cheaper/easier to replace if you really mess them up=E2=80=A6.

 

Bob

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancairon= line.net] On Behalf Of George Wehrung
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing g= ear

 

good idea Mark, thanks.

 

I got the nose wheel, fork, fairing and what not disconnected= from the airplane last night.  So she is sitting propped up for now.

 

What I noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup is= present on both sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distance b= etween the fairing and the outside of the fork.  Odly enough, the holes on both sides of the fairing are not equ= al.  One is more forward on one side than the other.  Also, the ho= les do not align properly with the drilled holes into the fork.  I bolt= ed the fairing mounting plate to the fork and then attached the fairing to the fairing mounting plate on the work bench.  = ;Then I checked the side mounting holes of the fairing in relation to the ho= les drilled into the fork.  They are off center.  And because of h= ow many times in the past it has been attempted to repair I am having difficulty in deciding how best to repair it.  I= can see why the fairing has developed cracks in the top of it because the s= ide bolts being forced into the fork have put strain on the top of the fairi= ng and thus cracking.  

 

I believe that I can still use the existing holes in the fair= ing but re-drill into the fork using the existing holes in the fairing as a t= emplate but then create new holes into the fork.  However, there is a chance of overlapping into the existing hol= es in the fork.  If I did this I could then put much larger nut plates o= n the fork.  There might be a possibility of making a larger hole, reth= reading the new hole and using an AN series bolt such as a 3/16=E2=80=9D.  The bolt would be much stronger than 10= x32 screw and mimic the bolted look of the main gear fairings.  This wo= uld give me the option of using either a nut plate or possibly re-tapping th= e fork to accept the bolt threading.

 

I am just trying to save the fork and hoping to not have to r= emake up the fairing spacers.

 

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

George

 

 



George,

 

If there's a sporting goods store where you live, they ought t= o be able to sell you some lead shot.  Otherwise, you could order some o= ver the internet.

 

Mark

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

I guess I could empty out a few shotgun shells=E2=80=A6<= /o:p>

 

 

On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:



I used lead shot in resin, covered with 2-bid.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel pants off.= What did you use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead weights?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:42, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

George,

 

I haven't experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanced= my front wheel pant.  If you haven't done that, I would highly recomme= nd doing that, even if you do shim the gear legs.

 

Mark



Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:

Right under the main spar!

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

All,

 

Got a pretty shimmy tonight, enough to loosen the front wheel= fairings screws.  Also while pushing her back into the hangar I could h= ear a rubbing sound on the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; not backing.  So now its time to jack up the mai= n gear and see whats going on.

 

I tried to search the archives to see how best to support the= wings.  No luck.

 

I am going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear on= e at a time using the Lancair adapter.  Then put a saw horse with carpe= t and foam to hold the wing while I check the main gear for play in the legs.  I suspect I may need shims or be having wh= eel bearing problems.  

 

I remember reading but I don=E2=80=99t recall where to put th= e support under the wing.  Unfortunately, I don=E2=80=99t have jackpoin= ts.

 

Any advice?  Thank you

 

George

 

 

On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote:




Posted for Clark Baker <bakercdb@gm= ail.com>:

> Hi Colyn,
> I played around with the power supplies and just ended up using a resis= tor.
> Low tech and I'm the last person to give advice in this area, but it wa= s a
> fun project, it works well, and I learned something.  Sounds l= ike
> homebuilding!
>
> Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I started it= ,
> but quickly got way over my head.  So, just ended up doing ac= tual testing
> of the thermal properties.  0.35 amps and 0.70 amps (apprx) f= or the green
> and red, respectively and SUPER bright (did the runway test against a > Whelen certified setup and various long distances and perceived brightn= ess)
>
>FWIW (not much)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete.
>> ...for my home made de-ice lights with super noisy power supplies.<= br> >>
>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon Porter wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the clue, Pete!  Yes, all in one box, but I wi= ll re-visit the
>> wiring instructions for the LED lights to make sure what I did was k= osher.
>>
>> What filters did you use?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pete@leapfrogven= tures.com [mailto:pete@leap= frogventures.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM
>> To: Gordon Porter; lml@lan= caironline.net; randylsnarr@yahoo.com
>> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> I had similar issues with LED position lights that I had built myse= lf.
>> Noise only on the lower frequencies.  It turned out the p= roblem was on the
>> lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs.  Because= of this adding
>> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did nothing. &= nbsp;I ended up
>> adding noise filters on the lines going to the LEDs and the problem= went
>> away.  This was easy because mine was a home-made setup.&= nbsp; I'm guessing your
>> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed package.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net<= /a>
>> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> Hi Randy.
>>
>> I have been tracking down a similar issue.  Thought I had= it isolated to
>> one
>> or both of my AFS EFIS'.  Installed a pair of capacitance= filters at the
>> advice of Aerotronics... jury still out.
>>
>> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only happened on= the low
>> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on separate antenna= e.  Very
>> consistent and repeatable.
>>
>> I have Aeroleds for landing and both wing tip recognition lights...= not the
>> strobes, just wing tip recognition lights.  Aerosun, I th= ink the model is.
>>
>> What freqs are you having issues on??
>>
>> Very frustrating.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> ES N144GP
>>
>>
>> Gordon H. Porter
>> Managing Partner
>> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP
>> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.
>>
>> 800-290-2632  717-757-4908  fax 717-843-0180 >>
>> GHP@TrustedWealthA= dvisors.com
>>
>> Securities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Mem= ber
>> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment R= esearch
>> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are o= ffered
>> by
>> Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambri= dge
>> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated entities.
>> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored.  = ;Please call our
>> office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-81= 15 ,
>> for
>> all buy/sell orders.  Please be advised that communicatio= ns regarding
>> trades
>> in your account are for informational purposes only.  You= should continue
>> to
>> rely on confirmations and statements received from the
>> custodian(s) of your assets.  The text of this communicat= ion is
>> confidential, and use by any person who is not the intended recipie= nt is
>> prohibited.  Any person who receives this communication i= n error is
>> requested to immediately destroy the text of this communication wit= hout
>> copying or further dissemination.  Your cooperation is ap= preciated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.co= m [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com= ]
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net<= /a>
>> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> Joe , do you get any interference in your radios with these lights?=
>> I installed similar lights a year ago and it causes reception issue= s at
>> times on some frequencies.  Curios if you experienced the= same issue...
>> I would also be interested if anyone else has any suggestions on ho= w to
>> resolve this..
>> Thx!
>> Randy Snarr
>> 235/320
>> N694RS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> For archives and unsub
>> ht= tp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
> bakercdb@gmail.com=

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