X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([207.46.163.151] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTPS id 6670024 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:48:12 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.46.163.151; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.217.145) by BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (10.141.217.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.842.7; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 02:47:32 +0000 Received: from BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.217.145]) by BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.217.145]) with mapi id 15.00.0842.003; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 02:47:31 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear Thread-Index: AQHPCk5X+b36DwXGZ0uzmGdzAfTemJp29YFQ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 02:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: <45633fa53ba24b5ebfc1c3b1339a8919@BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [108.28.164.93] x-forefront-prvs: 0083A7F08A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019001)(41574002)(24454002)(51914003)(501694002)(13464003)(377454003)(48214007)(51704005)(199002)(189002)(19300405004)(31966008)(47446002)(74502001)(74662001)(19580395003)(83322001)(19580405001)(74316001)(74366001)(66066001)(65816001)(80022001)(56776001)(63696002)(15202345003)(54316002)(16236675002)(33646001)(59766001)(77982001)(53806001)(74706001)(76576001)(76796001)(76786001)(54356001)(76482001)(79102001)(46102001)(74876001)(51856001)(4396001)(49866001)(47736001)(50986001)(47976001)(81542001)(2656002)(87936001)(81342001)(90146001)(56816005)(87266001)(69226001)(81816001)(80976001)(85852003)(83072002)(81686001)(85306002)(15975445006)(24736002)(579004);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR07MB550;H:BY2PR07MB550.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:108.28.164.93;FPR:;RD:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_45633fa53ba24b5ebfc1c3b1339a8919BY2PR07MB550namprd07pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com --_000_45633fa53ba24b5ebfc1c3b1339a8919BY2PR07MB550namprd07pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, I don't know anything about the gear/gear fairings on the ES, but in genera= l, it's much preferred to patch/rework the fiberglass rather than the metal= strut components. These are high-stress items, and drilling extra/oversize= holes in them can weaken them. Whether this is critical or not would depen= d on the locations and sizes of the holes of course, but as an alternative = to re-drilling the struts, consider cleaning the fiberglass fairings well i= n the area of the defective holes, and lay on a couple of bids on the outsi= de, then fill the original holes with dry epoxy/flox mixture, sand the area= flat from the inside when hard, and lay on as many bids as you need to str= engthen the fairings and to get the fork to fit snugly inside. Then use the= original holes in the fork to mark the location of new holes in the fairin= g(s). You might also want to consider taping the contact area of the fork with cl= ear packing tape, then inserting the fork in the fairing after laying on th= e interior bids. This will cause the inside of the fairing to conform exact= ly to the fork as the bids set up and will provide a very precise interface= when you add the bolts later. The only issue with this process is that you= must precisely establish the relative position of fairing and strut before= the epoxy hardens. In any case, consider re-working the fairings rather than the struts...thes= e are much less critical components, and probably (?) cheaper/easier to rep= lace if you really mess them up.... Bob From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Geor= ge Wehrung Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear good idea Mark, thanks. I got the nose wheel, fork, fairing and what not disconnected from the airp= lane last night. So she is sitting propped up for now. What I noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup is present on bo= th sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distance between the f= airing and the outside of the fork. Odly enough, the holes on both sides o= f the fairing are not equal. One is more forward on one side than the othe= r. Also, the holes do not align properly with the drilled holes into the f= ork. I bolted the fairing mounting plate to the fork and then attached the= fairing to the fairing mounting plate on the work bench. Then I checked t= he side mounting holes of the fairing in relation to the holes drilled into= the fork. They are off center. And because of how many times in the past= it has been attempted to repair I am having difficulty in deciding how bes= t to repair it. I can see why the fairing has developed cracks in the top = of it because the side bolts being forced into the fork have put strain on = the top of the fairing and thus cracking. I believe that I can still use the existing holes in the fairing but re-dri= ll into the fork using the existing holes in the fairing as a template but = then create new holes into the fork. However, there is a chance of overlap= ping into the existing holes in the fork. If I did this I could then put m= uch larger nut plates on the fork. There might be a possibility of making = a larger hole, rethreading the new hole and using an AN series bolt such as= a 3/16". The bolt would be much stronger than 10x32 screw and mimic the b= olted look of the main gear fairings. This would give me the option of usi= ng either a nut plate or possibly re-tapping the fork to accept the bolt th= reading. I am just trying to save the fork and hoping to not have to remake up the f= airing spacers. Any thoughts appreciated. George On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Steitle > wrote: George, If there's a sporting goods store where you live, they ought to be able to = sell you some lead shot. Otherwise, you could order some over the internet= . Mark Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung >= wrote: I guess I could empty out a few shotgun shells... On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mark Steitle > wrote: I used lead shot in resin, covered with 2-bid. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung >= wrote: Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel pants off. What did you = use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead weights? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:42, Mark Steitle > wrote: George, I haven't experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanced my front whee= l pant. If you haven't done that, I would highly recommend doing that, eve= n if you do shim the gear legs. Mark Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards > wrote: Right under the main spar! Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung > = wrote: All, Got a pretty shimmy tonight, enough to loosen the front wheel fairings scre= ws. Also while pushing her back into the hangar I could hear a rubbing sou= nd on the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; not backing. So now i= ts time to jack up the main gear and see whats going on. I tried to search the archives to see how best to support the wings. No lu= ck. I am going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear one at a time us= ing the Lancair adapter. Then put a saw horse with carpet and foam to hold= the wing while I check the main gear for play in the legs. I suspect I ma= y need shims or be having wheel bearing problems. I remember reading but I don't recall where to put the support under the wi= ng. Unfortunately, I don't have jackpoints. Any advice? Thank you George On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrot= e: Posted for Clark Baker >: > Hi Colyn, > I played around with the power supplies and just ended up using a resisto= r. > Low tech and I'm the last person to give advice in this area, but it was = a > fun project, it works well, and I learned something. Sounds like > homebuilding! > > Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I started it, > but quickly got way over my head. So, just ended up doing actual testing > of the thermal properties. 0.35 amps and 0.70 amps (apprx) for the green > and red, respectively and SUPER bright (did the runway test against a > Whelen certified setup and various long distances and perceived brightnes= s) > >FWIW (not much) > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Colyn Case > wrote: > >> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete. >> ...for my home made de-ice lights with super noisy power supplies. >> >> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon Porter wrote: >> >> Thanks for the clue, Pete! Yes, all in one box, but I will re-visit the >> wiring instructions for the LED lights to make sure what I did was koshe= r. >> >> What filters did you use? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Gordon >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pete@leapfrogventures.com [mailt= o:pete@leapfrogventures.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM >> To: Gordon Porter; lml@lancaironline.net; = randylsnarr@yahoo.com >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >> >> I had similar issues with LED position lights that I had built myself. >> Noise only on the lower frequencies. It turned out the problem was on t= he >> lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs. Because of this adding >> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did nothing. I ended up >> adding noise filters on the lines going to the LEDs and the problem went >> away. This was easy because mine was a home-made setup. I'm guessing y= our >> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed package. >> >> Pete >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 AM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >> >> Hi Randy. >> >> I have been tracking down a similar issue. Thought I had it isolated to >> one >> or both of my AFS EFIS'. Installed a pair of capacitance filters at the >> advice of Aerotronics... jury still out. >> >> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only happened on the = low >> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on separate antennae. V= ery >> consistent and repeatable. >> >> I have Aeroleds for landing and both wing tip recognition lights...not t= he >> strobes, just wing tip recognition lights. Aerosun, I think the model i= s. >> >> What freqs are you having issues on?? >> >> Very frustrating. >> >> Gordon >> >> ES N144GP >> >> >> Gordon H. Porter >> Managing Partner >> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP >> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc. >> >> 800-290-2632 717-757-4908 fax 717-843-0180 >> >> GHP@TrustedWealthAdvisors.com >> >> Securities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Member >> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment Resea= rch >> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are offere= d >> by >> Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambridge >> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated entities. >> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored. Please call ou= r >> office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8115 , >> for >> all buy/sell orders. Please be advised that communications regarding >> trades >> in your account are for informational purposes only. You should continu= e >> to >> rely on confirmations and statements received from the >> custodian(s) of your assets. The text of this communication is >> confidential, and use by any person who is not the intended recipient is >> prohibited. Any person who receives this communication in error is >> requested to immediately destroy the text of this communication without >> copying or further dissemination. Your cooperation is appreciated. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com [mailto:randyl= snarr@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >> >> Joe , do you get any interference in your radios with these lights? >> I installed similar lights a year ago and it causes reception issues at >> times on some frequencies. Curios if you experienced the same issue... >> I would also be interested if anyone else has any suggestions on how to >> resolve this.. >> Thx! >> Randy Snarr >> 235/320 >> N694RS >> >> >> >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >> >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >> > > > > -- > Clark Baker > > mobile: +44 7557 804 630 > > bakercdb@gmail.com -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --_000_45633fa53ba24b5ebfc1c3b1339a8919BY2PR07MB550namprd07pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

George,


I don’t know anything about the gear/gear fairings on the ES, but in = general, it’s much preferred to patch/rework the fiberglass rather th= an the metal strut components. These are high-stress items, and drilling ex= tra/oversize holes in them can weaken them. Whether this is critical or not would depend on the locations and sizes of= the holes of course, but as an alternative to re-drilling the struts, cons= ider cleaning the fiberglass fairings well in the area of the defective hol= es, and lay on a couple of bids on the outside, then fill the original holes with dry epoxy/flox mixture, sand the area flat from the inside when hard,= and lay on as many bids as you need to strengthen the fairings and to get = the fork to fit snugly inside. Then use the original holes in the fork to mark the location of new holes in th= e fairing(s).

 

You might also want to consider taping the contact = area of the fork with clear packing tape, then inserting the fork in the fairing after laying on the interior bids. This will cause the insi= de of the fairing to conform exactly to the fork as the bids set up and wil= l provide a very precise interface when you add the bolts later. The only i= ssue with this process is that you must precisely establish the relative position of fairing and strut before= the epoxy hardens.

 

In any case, consider re-working the fairings rathe= r than the struts…these are much less critical components, and probab= ly (?) cheaper/easier to replace if you really mess them up….

 

Bob

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Weh= rung
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing= gear

 

good idea Mark, thanks.

 

I got the nose wheel, fork, fairing and what not disconnect= ed from the airplane last night.  So she is sitting propped up for now= .

 

What I noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup = is present on both sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distan= ce between the fairing and the outside of the fork.  Odly enough, the holes on both sides of the fairing are not eq= ual.  One is more forward on one side than the other.  Also, the = holes do not align properly with the drilled holes into the fork.  I b= olted the fairing mounting plate to the fork and then attached the fairing to the fairing mounting plate on the work bench. &nbs= p;Then I checked the side mounting holes of the fairing in relation to the = holes drilled into the fork.  They are off center.  And because o= f how many times in the past it has been attempted to repair I am having difficulty in deciding how best to repair it.  = I can see why the fairing has developed cracks in the top of it because the= side bolts being forced into the fork have put strain on the top of the fa= iring and thus cracking.  

 

I believe that I can still use the existing holes in the fa= iring but re-drill into the fork using the existing holes in the fairing as= a template but then create new holes into the fork.  However, there is a chance of overlapping into the existing ho= les in the fork.  If I did this I could then put much larger nut plate= s on the fork.  There might be a possibility of making a larger hole, = rethreading the new hole and using an AN series bolt such as a 3/16”.  The bolt would be much stronger than 10x= 32 screw and mimic the bolted look of the main gear fairings.  This wo= uld give me the option of using either a nut plate or possibly re-tapping t= he fork to accept the bolt threading.

 

I am just trying to save the fork and hoping to not have to= remake up the fairing spacers.

 

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

George

 

 

On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:



George,

 

If there's a sporting goods store where you live, they ough= t to be able to sell you some lead shot.  Otherwise, you could order s= ome over the internet.

 

Mark

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

I guess I could empty out a few shotgun shells…<= /o:p>

 

 

On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:=



I used lead shot in resin, covered with 2-bid.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel pants of= f. What did you use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead weights?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:42, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

George,

 

I haven't experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanc= ed my front wheel pant.  If you haven't done that, I would highly reco= mmend doing that, even if you do shim the gear legs.

 

Mark



Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:

Right under the main spar!

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

All,

 

Got a pretty shimmy tonight, enough to loosen the front whe= el fairings screws.  Also while pushing her back into the hangar I cou= ld hear a rubbing sound on the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; not backing.  So now its time to jack up the ma= in gear and see whats going on.

 

I tried to search the archives to see how best to support t= he wings.  No luck.

 

I am going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear = one at a time using the Lancair adapter.  Then put a saw horse with ca= rpet and foam to hold the wing while I check the main gear for play in the legs.  I suspect I may need shims or be having w= heel bearing problems.  

 

I remember reading but I don’t recall where to put th= e support under the wing.  Unfortunately, I don’t have jackpoint= s.

 

Any advice?  Thank you

 

George

 

 

On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote:<= /span>




Posted for Clark Baker <bakercdb@g= mail.com>:

> Hi Colyn,
> I played around with the power supplies and just ended up using a resi= stor.
> Low tech and I'm the last person to give advice in this area, but it w= as a
> fun project, it works well, and I learned something.  Sounds= like
> homebuilding!
>
> Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I started i= t,
> but quickly got way over my head.  So, just ended up doing a= ctual testing
> of the thermal properties.  0.35 amps and 0.70 amps (apprx) = for the green
> and red, respectively and SUPER bright (did the runway test against a<= br> > Whelen certified setup and various long distances and perceived bright= ness)
>
>FWIW (not much)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete.
>> ...for my home made de-ice lights with super noisy power supplies.=
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon Porter wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the clue, Pete!  Yes, all in one box, but I w= ill re-visit the
>> wiring instructions for the LED lights to make sure what I did was= kosher.
>>
>> What filters did you use?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pete@leapfrogve= ntures.com [mailto:pete@le= apfrogventures.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM
>> To: Gordon Porter; lml@la= ncaironline.net; randylsnarr@yahoo.com
>> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> I had similar issues with LED position lights that I had built mys= elf.
>> Noise only on the lower frequencies.  It turned out the = problem was on the
>> lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs.  Becaus= e of this adding
>> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did nothing. =  I ended up
>> adding noise filters on the lines going to the LEDs and the proble= m went
>> away.  This was easy because mine was a home-made setup.=   I'm guessing your
>> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed package.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net=
>> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> Hi Randy.
>>
>> I have been tracking down a similar issue.  Thought I ha= d it isolated to
>> one
>> or both of my AFS EFIS'.  Installed a pair of capacitanc= e filters at the
>> advice of Aerotronics... jury still out.
>>
>> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only = happened on the low
>> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on separate antenn= ae.  Very
>> consistent and repeatable.
>>
>> I have Aeroleds for landing and both wing tip recognition lights..= .not the
>> strobes, just wing tip recognition lights.  Aerosun, I t= hink the model is.
>>
>> What freqs are you having issues on??
>>
>> Very frustrating.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> ES N144GP
>>
>>
>> Gordon H. Porter
>> Managing Partner
>> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP
>> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.
>>
>> 800-290-2632  717-757-4908  fax 717-843-0180 >>
>> GHP@TrustedWealth= Advisors.com
>>
>> Securities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, Inc.. Me= mber
>> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge Investment= Research
>> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are = offered
>> by
>> Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambr= idge
>> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated entities.
>> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored. &nbs= p;Please call our
>> office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8= 115 ,
>> for
>> all buy/sell orders.  Please be advised that communicati= ons regarding
>> trades
>> in your account are for informational purposes only.  Yo= u should continue
>> to
>> rely on confirmations and statements received from the
>> custodian(s) of your assets.  The text of this communica= tion is
>> confidential, and use by any person who is not the intended recipi= ent is
>> prohibited.  Any person who receives this communication = in error is
>> requested to immediately destroy the text of this communication wi= thout
>> copying or further dissemination.  Your cooperation is a= ppreciated.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.c= om [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.c= om]
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net=
>> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> Joe , do you get any interference in your radios with these lights= ?
>> I installed similar lights a year ago and it causes reception issu= es at
>> times on some frequencies.  Curios if you experienced th= e same issue...
>> I would also be interested if anyone else has any suggestions on h= ow to
>> resolve this..
>> Thx!
>> Randy Snarr
>> 235/320
>> N694RS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> For archives and unsub
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