X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com ([209.85.128.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6570487 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:00:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.128.179; envelope-from=weinsweigd@gmail.com Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id cz12so1316259veb.38 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.133.77 with SMTP id pa13mr4000872veb.21.1383159609372; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.0.234 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:00:09 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] You put WHAT in my tanks?!?! From: david weinsweig X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List , pjdmiller@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6733982f6b9f04e9f9f1d0 --047d7b6733982f6b9f04e9f9f1d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My Propjet is very well placarded-even the aoa ports. I have custom gold decals with large JET A ONLY labeling as well as the 56 us gallon usable fuel surrounding the fuel filler holes. Most FBO's that I fly into require me to fill out a form asking for service. I actually had thought about this as I left the FBO upon arrival. However, the counter attendant took my information and entered it into the computer herself correctly ie requesting JET A. It is rather amazing that given the look of the exhaust stacks and the placard, the correct information in the computer, my talking to the lineman(presumably a different one than refueled the plane) about my turboprop lancair, and the free wheeling prop that any reasonably trained lineman would put avgas into my plane. But I guess Murphy's Law never sleeps...... Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Archived Message #67421 From: Paul Miller Sender: < marv@lancaironline.net> Subject: Re: [LML] You put WHAT in my tanks?!?! Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:12:34 -0400 To: lml@lancaironline.net [image: Message Header] [image: Undecoded Message] Can I ask what labels are on the wing fueling area? All of the major fuel companies are supposed to have training and procedures, I'd slip a note in to whichever major company provides the fuel. You might get a free hat or something. Nobody wants that kind of negligence to persist because it can only lead to trouble and they need to do an audit on this place. Something went terribly wrong and needs to get fixed most likely. I don't know if you can file an SDR over this incident, but i'd try. I'd file a nasa report to get it into the database as well. In Canada, we get slips off the fueling truck, printed at the meter directly, with all the density and temp data. The pilot either signs for it or gets a copy on his bill. In the US, I find the ramp rat usually calls in the data to a front desk and that's a disconnect. Many years ago the FAA mandated restricted filler plates for certified avgas planes. But, they did not mandate the Jet nozzles to be the wide format to prevent kerosene into pistons even though it is FAA policy that FBOs use wide nozzles to prevent misfueling. This is an interesting BP page on the subject of wrong fuel. I particularly like the "no decal, no fuel" policy although I've never seen it in action. http://www.bp.com/business/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=9038531&contentId=7070677 Uggh, that's why I search for self-serve when possible. your report is a valuable reminder of what happens when away from the plane. Subscribe: Feed , Digest , Index . Unsubscribe Mail to ListMaster --047d7b6733982f6b9f04e9f9f1d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My Propjet is very well placarded-even the aoa ports. =A0I have custom g= old decals=A0with large JET A ONLY labeling as well as the 56 us gallon usa= ble fuel surrounding the fuel filler holes.=A0=A0Most FBO's that I fly = into require me to fill out a form asking for service. =A0I actually =A0had= thought about this as I left the FBO upon arrival. =A0However, the counter=
attendant took my information and entered it into the computer herself corr= ectly ie requesting JET A.=A0 It is rather amazing that given the look of t= he exhaust stacks and the placard, the correct information in the computer,= my talking to the lineman(presumably a different one than refueled the pla= ne)=A0about my turboprop lancair, =A0and the free wheeling prop that any re= asonably trained=A0lineman would put avgas into my plane.=A0

But I guess Murphy's Law never sleeps......

=A0

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From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] You put WHAT in my tanks?!?!
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:12:34 -0400
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Can I ask what labels are on the wing fueling area? =A0All of the m= ajor fuel companies are supposed to have training and procedures, I'd s= lip a note in to whichever major company provides the fuel. You might get a= free hat or something. =A0Nobody wants that kind of negligence to persist = because it can only lead to trouble and they need to do an audit on this pl= ace. =A0 Something went terribly wrong and needs to get fixed most likely. = =A0 I don't know if you can file an SDR over this incident, but i'd= try. =A0I'd file a nasa report to get it into the database as well.
In Canada, we get slips off the fueling truck, printed at the meter dir= ectly, with all the density and temp data. The pilot either signs for it or= gets a copy on his bill. =A0 In the US, I find the ramp rat usually calls = in the data to a front desk and that's a disconnect.

Many years ago the FAA mandated restricted filler plates for certified = avgas planes. =A0But, they did not mandate the Jet nozzles to be the wide f= ormat to prevent kerosene into pistons even though it is FAA policy that FB= Os use wide nozzles to prevent misfueling.

This is an interesting BP page on the subject of wrong fuel. =A0I parti= cularly like the "no decal, no fuel" policy although I've nev= er seen it in action.

http://www.bp.com/business/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=3D9038= 531&contentId=3D7070677

Uggh, that's why I search for self-serve when possible. =A0
your report is a valuable reminder of what happens when away from the plan= e.


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