Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67530
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Hot TITs on X country leg. LIVP
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 19:54:41 -0400
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
So to get to GA accident rates we as a fleet have free of failures that could contribute to a fatality (on all systems including the pilot) 99.999% of the hours flown.
A system that fails 1% of the hours flown is about 1000 times more dangerous than that.
Something to think about when selecting components.

On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Gary Casey wrote:

I was going to guess that.  Honest, I was :-).  But just one correction:  The high exhaust temperature with one ignition off isn't due to "incomplete fuel burn."  The burn is virtually complete whether running on one spark plug or two.  But the burn RATE is much different.  With two plugs there are two flame fronts and the burn completes sooner.  The slower burn rate on one plug means that a significant portion of the burn happens during the expansion stroke and less heat is converted to power.  Hence the exhaust temperature is higher.  Further, when the mixture is leaned past the best power (or maybe peak EGT) the flame travel is even slower and consequently the exhaust temperature will likely just continue to go up when leaning, not peak and go down.

Most people have had great luck with the Lightspeed system, but I am on my fourth in just 400 hours with none of the failures were due to installation errors and all were different problems.  The last one has been running perfectly for over 100 hours, so I guess I'm past the near side of the bathtub curve :-).  Klaus was never very forthcoming about the failures, but here is what happened:
1.  With about 10 hours on the plane the inverter power device for one channel (two spark plugs) quit and then after about 10 minutes it completely shorted and blew the fuse.
2.  One of the channels started to intermittently trigger off the previous channel, putting the spark at about 140 BTC.  Now, THAT gets your attention.  Fortunately, it happened on the ground at the beginning of the takeoff roll.  No real explanation, but "later model" components were installed.
3.  One of the channels would quit after 10 or 20 minutes of flight.  Again, no real explanation was given.  The ignition coils were also replaced at that time as the "new" coils were supposedly "better."
4.  Still going strong at 400 hours.  I will say it starts and run faultlessly, and I REALLY like the improved performance above 10,000 feet produced by the extra timing advance.
Gary Casey

 

Time to fess up.  The failure mode turned out to be a failed electronic igni=
tion system.  I run one Plasma III lightspeed and one mag.  The lightspeed q=
uit and I didn't recognize it.  It had to have happened during climb out or a=
t level off.  The run up prior to take off was entirely normal. =20

The hot TIT's and EGT's were the result of incomplete fuel burn by the mag t=
hat was the only ignition still running.  Fuel in the exhaust stacks burns i=
n the turbines and heats everything up real fast.  I don't understand why le=
aning made it worse though.  Can anyone explain that?

Lest anyone jump on Klaus, let me be quick to admit it was not a failure of h=
is system but rather  an installation defect.  As a matter of fact he  got o=
n the phone with me on a weekend day and helped trouble shoot it.  He overni=
ghted a loaner to me when I didn't have enough tools or access to do adequat=
e system checks and did not laugh at me too badly when the loaner did not fi=
x the problem.  A check of the ground for the power circuit showed about 2 K=
ohms resistance.  The fix was to wire in another ground.

Best regards,
John Barrett


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