X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm19-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.95] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6549463 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:29:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.95; envelope-from=dudewanarace@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 18:28:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.195] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 18:28:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2013 18:28:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 365232.16563.bm@omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84699 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2013 18:28:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nhqaPtYOFTZKvxSDpUyfKkmuu036SbV6FQSVPS+bvg1zVxU2K3D53iEfLa6oab8HB1TWX9QCoLSB/dx7akDrYax4qqNWEripAbgYFPp/zUyjrnxda7ubBzl+UpM4bU63bkgde14Gw1SIKLeiEkykvFENc4xESPL+swx58gi5RM8=; X-YMail-OSG: PheE0TcVM1mVM1QB4CSD9QauC.GZ2UC8CUWUCLw3mzMWfne 5WpYACJdqOMmztKM_U8QxTKBcoP63tKPoy2lPhKSD9ppQixRGSExjhQSVPuW _X0QwD_EzTVfHOPe0uEFrjYsYamWzgqtI8WLZcKpVcZmISMW0V7tEpLsjvlO jLxfCPT2w69B_Lqth32AdKR1jLn.ak_RFMy9pqLEMs1e1IOvCkxgwC7sOdc7 6uPgQ1ssvEhX5dk4dQQNuEPWZUE6KdTsRGa.sFOFHzEphmclSm8UqmjKNKbT IBQshbKRDinaS3umYcBLp38lEPDq074LZFsUb8X8ZH_vI9SV3961dJqqfDkN 03DWZdZeQaxH9gvQ1cazgMiaxUPGy_z96kc0AfEgDQcMIwwog4fxk0Lcxxwx N32LKG9BTtqrPNXfTaeE2pywsfFKNkEWfBX4C.luUgFaRWXHqcWHjJ3LwAsr N2m3DJIt660YOpBZwEUVNaz4oeLIYUmsDCKIVC79WX1vHN.hketyOtgUGMAd SciVOiVUXS9WnCJKRTZuAAh2x9WBEhlmPo5odIiGIVoZQET3MBdwrbMfKYx1 VKlGdTUUdhMh40guRdKRJm_.98NZrxbGcibW.K3mSZjtNrhJMv.6bdVuUzoy sIzuqSyEaIgFt5pnRoH.ld8WOJ13IPP9eXTXAMHsoZCYCzPdKcHFW7Sugvgm WJfNCTEiF6oKzuUuODEJneca77888ZuA4kYD4g15wWwDnow-- Received: from [24.2.15.88] by web120905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:28:56 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhlIGluaXRpYWwgcHJvYmxlbSwgKHRoZSBmYWlsZWQgcmVsYXkpIHRoYXQgbGVkIHRvIG1hbnkgb3RoZXIgcG9vciBjaG9pY2VzIGxlYWRpbmcgdG8gdGhlIGNyYXNoLCBJIHRoaW5rIGlzIGdvaW5nIHRvIGJlIGEgbW9yZSBjb21tb24gcHJvYmxlbS4KCkkgZXhwZXJpZW5jZWQgYSBtYXN0ZXIgcmVsYXkgZmFpbHVyZSBpbiBmbGlnaHQgYXMgd2VsbC4gwqBEdXJpbmcgbm9ybWFsIGdlYXIgZXh0ZW5zaW9uIGp1c3QgYXMgdGhlIG1haW5zIGxvY2tlZCBhbmQgdGhlIHByZXNzdXJlIGluIHRoZSBzeXN0ZW0gY2EBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 X-Original-Message-ID: <1382380136.84607.YahooMailNeo@web120905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dudewanarace@yahoo.com Reply-To: dudewanarace@yahoo.com Subject: Re: HOW TO KILL YOURSELF IN A LANCAIR X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1517483800-901796699-1382380136=:84607" --1517483800-901796699-1382380136=:84607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The initial problem, (the failed relay) that led to many other poor choices= leading to the crash, I think is going to be a more common problem.=0A=0AI= experienced a master relay failure in flight as well. =A0During normal gea= r extension just as the mains locked and the pressure in the system came up= the pump pulled a few more amps and connection inside the relay failed. = =A0Thus, the plane went electrically dark. =A0Luckily I had seen 3 green be= fore it went out..=0A=0ABut the bitch of it was after landing I cycled the = master switch a few times and bingo it came back to life. =A0I couldn't rep= roduce the failure on the ground until I tried to start the airplane. =A0As= soon as I pulled high amps on the relay it quit and I was able to measure = across the relay in its failed state. =A0My relay was mounted below the bat= tery as well but looked to be in good shape externally. =A0I replaced it wi= th a new relay found at NAPA auto parts. =A0But, be sure to get a continuou= s duty relay, not a starter relay. =A0They cost about twice as much, I assu= me due to the precious metal on the contacts.=A0=0A=0AJust FYI for those fl= ying older airplanes.=0A=0ATom McNerney=0Awww.N54SG.com=A0 --1517483800-901796699-1382380136=:84607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The initial problem, (the failed relay) that led to many= other poor choices leading to the crash, I think is going to be a more com= mon problem.

I experienced a master relay failure in flight as well.  During n= ormal gear extension just as the mains locked and the pressure in the syste= m came up the pump pulled a few more amps and connection inside the relay f= ailed.  Thus, the plane went electrically dark.  Luckily I had se= en 3 green before it went out..

But = the bitch of it was after landing I cycled the master switch a few times an= d bingo it came back to life.  I couldn't reproduce the failure on the= ground until I tried to start the airplane.  As soon as I pulled high= amps on the relay it quit and I was able to measure across the relay in it= s failed state.  My relay was mounted below the battery as well but lo= oked to be in good shape externally.  I replaced it with a new relay f= ound at NAPA auto parts.  But, be sure to get a continuous duty relay,= not a starter relay.  They cost about twice as much, I assume due to = the precious metal on the contacts. 

Just FYI for those flying older airplanes.

Tom McNerney
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