X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6373794 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:14:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.203; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.8]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 262BB700AB23C for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtb001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.193]) by mtaomg-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1DA88E000086 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high Message-ID: <32a32.2ff9687b.3f156b98@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS Pilot To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_32a32.2ff9687b.3f156b98_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1373901210; bh=VD4DezqMssxF1hWgnPz40tI6TvUOX6Ru0GCqQHJZajo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=se6Uq61lDPm6etawlksfYEW0n11L+exRszEaYTyayp0LLzsjrBHpILWF8w4cLPcbR 0EKW5/4JCdycIrpk2adVD2KgPT7LNbtpiyYPfq1PBqbrEqdOzbHOMKpgB9dvrzG/uI qu80aL9S9CiYDvV4NOV1ROyoJ3f+H7A3aExIpiyI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450385056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290851e411991f73 --part1_32a32.2ff9687b.3f156b98_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just a suggestion - My $0.00 worth. Properly rigged ailerons have a slight float or dead band partially available from lash in the linkage. If so, the airplane may experience slight lateral imbalance that a sensitive AP may pick up and try to correct. Holding the stick reduces the dead band movement. So .... One might try an experiment - Rig the ailerons ever so slightly up (say a half or full turn in on the final aileron linkage rod end on each side). This may result in a very slight air load on each aileron in level flight thus elimination of oscillation in the dead band? This also results in the up aileron going up more before the down aileron is, uh, going down. Like I said, for what it's worth, Grayhawk In a message dated 7/15/2013 9:30:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, toddlong1@gmail.com writes: Does anyone who has a sorcerer find it tracks smooth? On my AFPilot the standard servo has a problem rolling at high speed. You can hear the servo ratchet as the stepper motor jumps. Once it does this it starts a sort of oscillation. Back and forth at a fairly high rate. Doesn't turn to much. If I hold the stick steady it calms down. From what I see quite a few have had to upgrade to the higher torque servo. Since I just bought my setup this year would be nice had they just quoted it with the high torque knowing the standard might be too weak. There was an S-TEC 55x in it before. But since the HSI was upgraded to glass nothing wanted to talk to it anymore. Barely a fancy wing leveler at that point. Bill which tru track do you have? What is it hooked to that is driving it. Typing and r grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone. On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:55, "Bill Harrelson" wrote: > Todd, > > I've tried pretty much every combination of settings with the TT autopilot on our IV. It hunted with the standard servos so I spent a grand upgrading and now it hunts with the high torque servos. Haven't been all that impressed with TT so far. > > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs > N6ZQ IV 300 hrs > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Todd Long > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:22 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] AFS Pilot > > How many people are flying a IV-P with the tru trak AFS Pilot? Which servos do you have installed? I. Thinking I need the higher torque servos on the ailerons at high speed cruise?what settings do you have it at? I'm trying to dial mine in and get rid of the hunting. > > Sent from my iPad > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --part1_32a32.2ff9687b.3f156b98_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is just a suggestion - My $0.00 worth.
 
Properly rigged ailerons have a slight float or dead band partially=20 available from lash in the linkage.  If so, the airplane may experienc= e=20 slight lateral imbalance that a sensitive AP may pick up and try to=20 correct.  Holding the stick reduces the dead band movement.  So .= ...=20
 
One might try an experiment - Rig the ailerons ever so slightly up (sa= y a=20 half or full turn in on the final aileron linkage rod end on each=20 side).  This may result in a very slight air load on each aileron in l= evel=20 flight thus elimination of oscillation in the dead band?  This al= so=20 results in the up aileron going up more before the down aileron is, uh= ,=20 going down. 
 
Like I said, for what it's worth,
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 7/15/2013 9:30:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 toddlong1@gmail.com writes:
= Does=20 anyone who has a sorcerer find it tracks smooth? On my AFPilot the standa= rd=20 servo has a problem rolling at high speed. You can hear the servo ratchet= as=20 the stepper motor jumps. Once it does this it starts a sort of=20 oscillation.  Back and forth at a fairly high rate. Doesn't turn to = much.=20 If I hold the stick steady it calms down. From what I see quite a few hav= e had=20 to upgrade to the higher torque servo. Since I just bought my setup this = year=20 would be nice had they just quoted it with the high torque knowing the=20 standard might be too weak.
There was an S-TEC 55x in it before. But = since=20 the HSI was upgraded to glass nothing wanted to talk to it anymore. Barel= y a=20 fancy wing leveler at that point.

Bill which tru track do you hav= e?=20 What is it hooked to that is driving it.

Typing and r grammar err= ors=20 courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:55, "Bill= =20 Harrelson" <n5zq@verizon.net> wrote:

> Todd,
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= >=20 I've tried pretty much every combination of settings with the TT autopilo= t on=20 our IV.  It hunted with the standard servos so I spent a grand upgra= ding=20 and now it hunts with the high torque servos. Haven't been all that impre= ssed=20 with TT so far.
>
> Bill Harrelson
> N5ZQ 320 2,150=20 hrs
> N6ZQ  IV  300 hrs
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>
>
>= ;=20
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> -----Original Message----- From: Todd Long
> Sent= :=20 Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
>= =20 Subject: [LML] AFS Pilot
>
> How many people are flying a IV= -P=20 with the tru trak AFS Pilot? Which servos do you have installed? I. Think= ing I=20 need the higher torque servos on the ailerons at high speed cruise?what= =20 settings do you have it at? I'm trying to dial mine in and get rid of the= =20 hunting.
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> Sent from my iPad
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