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Subject: Fwd: looking for the meta-message in controller speak
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=0APaul, thanks for the kind words.  I actually worked you from DBN into JA=
X approach over southern Georgia.  I did not have much weather to help you =
with, but I remember you checking on telling me you were going to spruce cr=
eek since DAB was in the flight plan.  I know that is an automation issue w=
ith our computer and have been trying to get it fixed for a long time.=0A =
=0AI did want to comment, that for pilots that are flying IFR it is very he=
lpful to know if you have xm/adsb wx or not.  I usually put it in the remar=
ks sections of my flight plans.  That helps us controllers know who needs m=
ore help and who has a pretty good picture.  Mainly because in the center, =
we only see what you see on XM.  We, at the center, are looking at nexrad d=
ata as well.  When you are with approach controls they are looking at their=
 asr radar weather data, which updates every 6 seconds.=0A =0AThe scott cro=
ssfield accident did help push atl center to get better at the weather, but=
 it was done with a hammer instead of education.  Management just beats int=
o peoples heads to call weather to every pilot, but still does not teach co=
ntrollers how to interpret the weather and more importantly who needs the m=
ost help.  The delta 757 crew does not need each little piece of precipitat=
ion called out to them at 39,000ft.  The 182 at 7000 without xm needs more =
help.  That is still a large piece missing from the faa.  There are alot of=
 new controllers that are not pilots and do not know how to help pilots.  T=
hey are only beat over the head to call weather.  So you will here some peo=
ple just say "heavy extreme precipitation along your route of flight", only=
 to cover themselves legally.=0A =0AThe facilities in the south that do wor=
k with thunderstorms more often are better with weather, only because we de=
al with it for 70% of the year.=0AStay safe, we're only half way through th=
understorm season.=0A =0ALuke Alcorn=0ANATCA ZJX Safety Rep
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<font face=3D"arial" size=3D"2"><p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">Paul, than=
ks for the kind words.&nbsp; I actually worked you from DBN into JAX approa=
ch over southern Georgia.&nbsp; I did not have much weather to help you wit=
h, but I remember you checking on telling me you were going to spruce creek=
 since DAB was in the flight plan.&nbsp; I know that is an automation issue=
 with our computer and have been trying to get it fixed for a long time.</p=
>=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padd=
ing:0;">I did want to comment, that for pilots that are flying IFR it is ve=
ry helpful to know if you have xm/adsb wx or not.&nbsp; I usually put it in=
 the remarks sections of my flight plans.&nbsp; That helps us controllers k=
now who needs more help and who has a pretty good picture.&nbsp; Mainly bec=
ause in the center, we only see what you see on XM.&nbsp; We, at the center=
, are looking at nexrad data as well.&nbsp; When you are with approach cont=
rols they are looking at their asr radar weather data, which updates every =
6 seconds.</p>=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p style=3D"=
margin:0;padding:0;">The scott crossfield accident did help push atl center=
 to get better at the weather, but it was done with a hammer instead of edu=
cation.&nbsp; Management just beats into peoples heads to call weather to e=
very pilot, but still does not teach controllers how to interpret the weath=
er and more importantly who needs the most help.&nbsp; The delta 757 crew d=
oes not need each little piece of precipitation called out to them at 39,00=
0ft.&nbsp; The 182 at 7000 without xm needs more help.&nbsp; That is still =
a large piece missing from the faa.&nbsp; There are alot of new controllers=
 that are not pilots and do not know how to help pilots.&nbsp; They are onl=
y beat over the head to call weather.&nbsp; So you will here some people ju=
st say "heavy extreme precipitation along your route of flight", only to co=
ver themselves legally.</p>=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">&nbsp;</p>=
=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">The facilities in the south that do wor=
k with thunderstorms more often are better with weather, only because we de=
al with it for 70% of the year.</p>=0A<p style=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">Stay=
 safe, we're only half way through thunderstorm season.</p>=0A<p style=3D"m=
argin:0;padding:0;">&nbsp;</p>=0A<!--WM_COMPOSE_SIGNATURE_START-->=0A<p sty=
le=3D"margin:0;padding:0;">Luke Alcorn<br />NATCA ZJX Safety Rep</p>=0A<!--=
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