X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([216.32.181.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6370408 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:32:38 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.32.181.183; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail197-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.225) by CH1EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.43.70.62) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:32:00 +0000 Received: from mail197-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail197-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EC8A05D4 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:32:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: PS-1(zf7Izc85fhzz1f42h1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz1d7338h17326ah18c673h8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1de9h1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail197-ch1: domain of htii.com designates 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail197-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail197-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1373643117561402_17448; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (snatpool1.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.253]) by mail197-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDBA22004E for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by CH1EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (10.43.70.4) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:31:55 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.16]) by CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0324.000; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:31:54 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Fwd: looking for the meta-message in controller speak Thread-Topic: [LML] Fwd: looking for the meta-message in controller speak Thread-Index: AQHOfw6m+BwqQh7730GJ0TTj7pjao5lhKpmQ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 15:31:54 +0000 Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD613EF195@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.192.196.210] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD613EF195CH1PRD0710MB367_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD613EF195CH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, I would second your remarks; I've had similar experiences, both with and wi= thout the G696 along to confirm. I've had less help in the North Carolina a= rea...there is an area that is "shared" between military and civilian contr= ollers, and the interface/exchange of information is not as good as what I'= ve received farther north and to the south. I expect that time/workload pl= ays a big part, but as this has happened several times, I also sense a diff= erent level of assistance. Bob Paul Miller said: I wrote earlier how controllers have been super helpful providing wx advice= for flights in the last number of years. Last Sunday I brought the Legacy= , my wife and two mutts from Calgary 2100nm to Florida via Minot and Kennet= t(MO). I was VFR the entire way but my G696 portable was not with me so I= had no WX onboard. On the final leg, the usual buildups were growing and = the horizon was grey to black and there was no obvious path. I was at 5500= and could not top anything. I queried Atlanta center and Atlanta approach. At the point I marked on th= e attachment, I simply asked what they saw on my route. I got back "modera= te to severe across your horizon, cleared to deviate left". I repeated "le= ft?". He replied "left". Sometimes, the message is just that clear. Bl= ue sky appeared to the east and we had an uneventful, un-wet, un-bumpy flig= ht all the way in. I've been really impressed how much assistance is now = given despite busy IFR loads. I've had nothing but excellent and pro-activ= e help from JAX and ATL and especially various approach controllers in Alab= ama and other southern states. --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD613EF195CH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Paul,

I would second your remarks; I’ve had similar= experiences, both with and without the G696 along to confirm. I’ve h= ad less help in the North Carolina area…there is an area that is “= ;shared” between military and civilian controllers, and the interface= /exchange of information is not as good as what I’ve received farther= north and to the south.  I expect that time/workload plays a big part, but as this has happen= ed several times, I also sense a different level of assistance.<= /span>

 

Bob

 

Paul Miller said:

 

I wrote earlier how controllers have been super help= ful providing wx advice for flights in the last number of years.  Last= Sunday I brought the Legacy, my wife and two mutts from Calgary 2100nm to = Florida via Minot and Kennett(MO).   I was VFR the entire way but my G696 portable was not with me so I had no WX= onboard.  On the final leg, the usual buildups were growing and the h= orizon was grey to black and there was no obvious path.  I was at 5500= and could not top anything.

 

I queried Atlanta center and Atlanta approach.  = ;At the point I marked on the attachment, I simply asked what they saw on m= y route.  I got back "moderate to severe across your horizon, cle= ared to deviate left".  I repeated "left?".  He re= plied "left".   Sometimes, the message is just that clear.  = Blue sky appeared to the east and we had an uneventful, un-wet, un-bumpy f= light all the way in.   I've been really impressed how much assistance= is now given despite busy IFR loads.  I've had nothing but excellent and pro-active help from JAX and ATL and especially various appr= oach controllers in Alabama and other southern states.

 

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