X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6369241 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:28:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.203; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.200]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5CC097009F6F1 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtb001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtb001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.193]) by mtaomg-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F6EEE000081 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 13:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ae7bc.12c1076c.3f103f2c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1373562157; bh=hE9KXa0QOMlmqaeFEVyLFekqOtsl/ShJzQVMXbXuJWs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QJGoPBzybgF7s6POxAVFLi8PR4UhA18gqV17qKKzCnVv2aCWMJ3dki5JpAbdlqIza 7azJBeeeiRb9qSvt/Y6eC+dA9w8g5RB0nCQq0GL9JILvjGcQViCAnj9tbIDZBSOGDH WaV7Rskmt4KaynecwqxScEEt+57t55xzx0GTmmro= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:502839296:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c851dee52d32e7 --part1_ae7bc.12c1076c.3f103f2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, got it. =20 Grayhawk =20 =20 In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:41:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 n5276j@aol.com writes: Chris, I forgot to add that on the down side, the alternator is a Plane= =20 Power 30A on the Vacuum Pump pad. I wanted to save weight by doing away= =20 with the steel brackets, fan belt, I even machined off the pulley on the= =20 flywheel. Removing weight from the front of the engine allow me to move th= e=20 battery to the passenger inside firewall, an Odyssey 680 I believe. This= =20 minimized the wiring thus saving more weight. My empty weight came out at= 1081#=20 with full leather interior. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Zavatson To: lml Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:10 am Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection =20 =20 Steve, Where did the alternator go? Chris =20 =20 From: steve <_n5276j@aol.com_ (mailto:n5276j@aol.com) > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) =20 Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection Harper, =20 You can buy a forward facing cold air intake and sump from AERO . You can= =20 also get a y shaped tube with a shutter for either ram or filtered air fro= m=20 Air flow performance. The down side is you will have to modified the cowl = =20 air scoop and build a custom exhaust. The upside is more power and better= =20 looking cowl. =20 =20 Steve Alderman N25SA 360 -----Original Message----- From: Harper Jones <_crazydocjones@hotmail.com_=20 (mailto:crazydocjones@hotmail.com) > To: lml <_lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) > Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 1:37 pm Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection =20 Chris, This looks like something that might work. I have a milling machine and a= =20 lathe and could easily turn and mill those pieces. Do you know if there= =20 are any drawings wandering around. Thanks. Harper To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net)=20 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:29:31 -0400 From: _chris_zavatson@yahoo.com_ (mailto:chris_zavatson@yahoo.com)=20 Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection Harper, Here is another one. The difficulty with any forward facing injector is= =20 the limited space available forward of the injector. Using a 90 or 90+ de= g =20 elbow such as Johannes has is quite popular. The cowl scoop is much =20 deeper in that case and from the outside will look more like a carbureted= =20 installation. =20 The attached photos are of a set-up using a K&N conical filter inside of = =20 a fiberglass diffuser (not yet trimmed in the photo). Alternate air is =20 provided by rotating a ring at the aft end which causes the slots to open = up. There is a lot of variety out there in IO induction systems. =20 Chris Zavatson N91CZ 360std http://www.n91cz.net/ =20 =20 From: Johannes Schredl <_jschredl@web.de_ (mailto:jschredl@web.de) > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) =20 Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 5:15 AM Subject: [LML] AW: forward mounted fuel injection =20 =20 Harper, =20 i have a Lancair 320 with an IO-320D1B and a 90=B0 forward swapped=20 injector. I have not Chris=B4s cowling. In addition I use a small air filt= er box with=20 bypass.=20 However I have to say my engine does not run very smooth in idle rpm. I = =20 can=B4t tell this is caused by 90=B0 injector design. However the cowling looks nice J =20 Hans D-ESWS. =20 =20 =20 Von: Harper Jones [mailto:crazydocjones@hotmail.com?]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Juli 2013 23:02 An: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net)=20 Betreff: forward mounted fuel injection =20 =20 How have others handled the intake for a forward mounted fuel injection= =20 on a 320 with Chris Zavatson's cowl? Do most people run a straight pipe= =20 from the cowl to the injector body (w/ a flexible component) , pipe with a= =20 screen or a very small filter housing? =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l -- For archives and unsub=20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l -- For archives and unsub =20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --part1_ae7bc.12c1076c.3f103f2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, got it.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:41:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 n5276j@aol.com writes:
=
Chris,  I forgot to add that on the down side, the alterna= tor=20 is a Plane Power 30A  on the Vacuum Pump  pad. I wanted to= save=20 weight by doing away with the steel brackets, fan belt, I even machined o= ff=20 the pulley on the flywheel. Removing weight from the front of the en= gine=20 allow me to move the battery to the passenger inside firewall, an Odyssey= 680=20 I believe. This minimized the wiring thus saving more weight. My emp= ty=20 weight came out  at 1081#  with full leather=20 interior.  
---= --Original=20 Message-----
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
= To:=20 lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:10=20 am
Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel injection

Steve, Where did the alternator go?
Chris

From: steve <n5276j@aol.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:21= =20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: = forward=20 mounted fuel injection

Harper,
 
You can buy a forward facing cold air intake and sump from AERO = ;.=20 You can also get a y shaped tube with a shutter for either ram or filtere= d air=20 from Air flow performance. The down side is you will have to modified the= cowl=20 air scoop  and build a custom exhaust. The upside is more power and= =20 better looking cowl.  
 
Steve Alderman  N25SA  360
--= ---Original=20 Message-----
From: Harper Jones <crazydocjones@hotmail.com&g= t;
To:=20 lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Se= nt:=20 Wed, Jul 10, 2013 1:37 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: forward mounted fuel=20 injection

Chris,

This looks like something that might work.&n= bsp; I=20 have a milling machine and a lathe and could easily turn and mill those= =20 pieces.  Do you know if there are any drawings wandering around.&nbs= p;=20 Thanks.

Harper

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:29:3= 1=20 -0400
From: chris_zavatson@yahoo.com
Subject: [LML] Re: forward= =20 mounted fuel injection

Harper,
Her= e=20 is another one.  The difficulty with any forward facing injector is = the=20 limited space available forward of the injector.  Using a 90 or 90+ = deg=20 elbow such as Johannes has is quite popular.  The cowl scoop is= much=20 deeper in that case and from the outside will look more like a carbureted installation.&nbs= p;=20
The= =20 attached photos are of a set-up using a K&N conical filter insid= e of=20 a fiberglass diffuser (not yet trimmed in the photo).  Alternate air= is=20 provided by rotating a ring at the aft end which causes the slots to= open=20 up.
The= re=20 is a lot of variety out there in IO induction systems.
 
Chr= is=20 Zavatson
N91= CZ
360= std
http://www.n91cz.net/

From: Johannes=20 Schredl <jschredl@web.de>
To: lml@lancaironline.ne= t=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 9= , 2013=20 5:15 AM
Subject: [LML]= AW:=20 forward mounted fuel injection

Harper,
 
i=20 have a Lancair 320  with an IO-320D1B and a 90=B0 forward swapped in= jector.=20 I have not Chris=B4s cowling. In addition I use a small air filter box wi= th=20 bypass.
However=20 I have to say my engine does not run very smooth in idle rpm. I  can= =B4t=20 tell this is caused by 90=B0 injector design.
However=20 the cowling looks nice = J
 
Hans
D-ESWS.=20
 
 
 
Von: Harper Jo= nes [mailto:crazydocjones@hotmail.com?]
Gesendet:=20 Sonntag, 7. Juli 2013 23:02
An: lml@lancaironline.net
Betreff: forward mount= ed fuel=20 injection
 
How have others handled th= e=20 intake for a forward mounted  fuel injection on a 320 with Chris=20 Zavatson's cowl?  Do most people run a straight pipe from the cowl t= o the=20 injector body (w/ a flexible component) , pipe with a screen or a very sm= all=20 filter housing? 

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