Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #65368
From: Jim Nordin <panelmaker@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Circuit Breakers vs. fuses
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:13:42 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Hey Tom,

Out of reach? Why would you have them out of reach? Would that be poor design? Not really.

It sounds like your only concern is not whether to use breakers or fuses from a performance perspective but that the fuses would be out of reach.

Once a breaker “pops/breaks” in the air, should the pilot know something is wrong and perhaps shouldn’t push the breaker again only to make it do its job again? Once maybe. If a fuse blows should you replace it in flight? Maybe – once.

Fuses weight much less. Cost much less. Cost/performance goes to the fuse. Do the same job with caveats. Both are overload protectors.

CBs do a better job when the load is widely variable. They are comparatively complex – an electromechanical device. They can be designed to trip quickly – quicker than fuses. When the load is constant from start to finish, on to off, fuses may be a better choice. If a breaker fails, the cost (physical replacement and cost replacement) is enormous compared to a fuse.

Aircraft interiors experience extreme variables in temperature, humidity and mechanical vibration degrading breakers. Fuses win out there.

Investigate the options ad infinitum. Pay your money and take your chances.

Jim

 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom & Beth Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:19 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Circuit Breakers vs. fuses

 

   Returning from Sun & Fun a few weeks ago, I had stopped in Asheville NC to pick up my wife and see my dad.  It had rained really hard while I was in Lakeland and I suspect some water penetrated the TKS panels on the wings (Mooney Rocket).  Flew back to the U.P. of MI non-stop at FL 180 until about Lake Michigan where I needed FL 220 to stay out of clouds and significant icing.  (N1017L for those Flight Aware addicts).

 

   About 10 minutes before penetrating the precip I turned the TKS on to high mode and after a couple minutes, no fluid?  Looked at the control panel and no lights; looked at the circuit breaker and it had popped.  I tried it again and it popped after about 30 seconds.  Oh crap!  Reset breaker and tried de-ice on low mode, and it ran fine.  Luckily it ran enough fluid to keep the ice off through the 30 minute decent.  When I was a couple minutes from breaking out (based on my home bas KIMT AWOS report), I tried high mode again and it worked fine.  As noted above, I suspect a bit of water in the panels had froze up in the flight levels, and the "low" TKS power setting must have done the trick.

 

Now, what if I had "fuses" located out of reach??

 

Will be wiring up the IVPT soon and using breakers.  It is still up to the operator to use enough common sense to keep a breaker system safe.

 

Tom

 

 

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