X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ustek.com ([70.62.14.124] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.2) with ESMTP id 6121100 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:15:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=r.simon@ustek.com Subject: RE: For sale, rdd de-ice system without heaters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CE20D7.1E5905F2" X-Original-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:12:33 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: For sale, rdd de-ice system without heaters Thread-Index: Ac4g064LPU0dOCfPQ52niW1FoEnNww== From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Ronald STEVENS" , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CE20D7.1E5905F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ronald, I certainly would not argue with your cautious approach to flight planning. I flew for 35 years without de-ice and never had significant ice accumulation. Those were unpressurized aircraft so I stayed low and slow and often on the ground. I missed a few trips but never had to change my shorts or chip my way out of a frozen cockpit. Now with my ES-P I have the option to get above the typical Midwestern low deck and into the sunshine above. No, I would not launch into a several hour flight in suspect clouds, so planning is imperative. However 4,000 ft of suspicious cloud between me and the sun is not an issue with the RDD system. =20 =20 A de-ice system is a lot like weather avoidance equipment. I use 'spherics and satellite radar in conjunction with long discussions with flight service. Blue skies and VFR is perhaps the best weather, but with proper planning and state-of-the-art equipment I get greater use of the plane with no sacrifice in safety. =20 Equipped with de-ice and weather avoidance I still cancel flights - just not as many. Like you I check the weather before I take off and I do not push the envelope. But I would not pitch the de-ice gear for a possible 2% increase in speed any more than I would discard my weather avoidance equipment to save on maintenance cost. They are there if I need them when the FSS weather gurus and I guess wrong. Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES -----Original Message----- From: Ronald STEVENS [mailto:Ronald@sdc.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:59 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: For sale, rdd de-ice system without heaters Hello guys I decided to take out my de-ice system in leu of some extra speed and different flight planning. I know it was an expensive piece of gear in my plane but, I rather plan just not to go when ice is a possibility or just stay under the clouds when need be. I flew 4 years to NC in a cirrus without getting into Ice, but when I got my plane I actual had ice twice in 1 year just because i got suckered into it, with the thoughts i have de-icing. Well...its better not to count and fly differently, more defensive and more careful planning. So I took it out, and if someone is interested then let me know. 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