X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with SMTP id 5865682 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:04:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 24897 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2012 01:03:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; s=default; d=carbinge.com; b=f0tT1qFPwNBw6Sa1kMnEQZRt/2YyqeUW8v0YasE/4Y3y3Sq5sfM6oCequ2OpbaH64l95uZrXCjgq7Ewe5SxjJXXWKOZonneovu16IGO/hhVi2b9qsv5prz9Y7Xei9GqH/aFmap4PNi92CCk9QvSdrHwVVH1EJ1vd70oWdePVtzU=; X-Originating-IP: [66.235.58.245] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Any cause found for IVPT accident? X-Original-Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:03:43 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <03b201cdbc83$bdcc1a60$39644f20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac28T1sSF7nGU3liR9mhkGAjR5A+nAAM6rqQ Content-Language: en-us David Your assessment sounds quite likely given the preliminary information you shared. If accurate, my understanding that parts of the aircraft separated from the airframe prior to the crash are not likely to be true. I don't recall where I got that, but I do remember lots of speculation about an in flight fire. I think this was probably the result of someone seeing photos of the post flight fire that sent up a pretty big smoke plume. Yes, it would certainly be instructive and something of a relief to know the actual cause. You have to wonder how two experienced pilots - one who instructed regularly in Lancairs could have let airspeed decay to the point of stall/spin. Stranger things have happened. John Barrett -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Weinsweig [mailto:weinsweigd@tsnci.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:48 AM To: jbarrett@carbinge.com; lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Any cause found for IVPT accident? I do not like unsubsatntiated conjecture particularly when it comes to sad events that happen to good people. However, I have been told from a reliable source who seems to have more than just casual knowledge of the accident that it may very well have been a stall/spin scenario during slow flight training. Read between the lines on the below link and it sounds quite plausable. However, I, too, would like to know for sure. http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20120419X54443&key=1 David >>> jbarrett@carbinge.com 11/6/2012 8:06 AM >>> Agreed, Fred, That was a strange one for sure. I surmise that perhaps high speed and wind shear may have had something to do with it. Total guess on my part but have lost friends to that scenario in the past. It's fun to rip through mountain passes when you have high performance aircraft, but things can end horribly if you hit a wall of air going a different direction. John From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Frederick Moreno Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 8:39 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Any cause found for IVPT accident? Was any investigation conducted in the accident that killed Harry League and his check pilot, and any definitive cause identified? We need to get some lessons from these tragic accidents. I just lost a friend today in an 80% scale P-51 with a 530 HP Chevy engine. It appears the gearbox, which was problematic, failed on take off. There having been numerous fatalities with automotive engine conversions, we can derive lessons from that approach. We have got to get accident cause so we can take away some lessons. Fred