X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.98] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with SMTP id 5801087 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:11:57 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.98; envelope-from=bu131@swbell.net Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 17:11:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.89] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 17:11:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 17:11:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 710841.77666.bm@omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52429 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2012 17:11:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=swbell.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IyJLX1XoLlbOFwHmEcz1ARaGN47Zw6P/s41vppMyMBxbp6ctk6DjIS8KfYO1KdbXYauhLsjn0aobcTnDn7CML2wZCjZ11R5bUJp/ZXRpEoENZvIfnxmdGGHgyStN10EsedCWhXcCuBOvwVTl9Vl2HTUS5/8rEoNb0eLc6oWACS4=; X-YMail-OSG: END7Y48VM1kIS74_dC2vZeH_hvzh_p8TSvl0s4N0H3fMJ1J i0FhMbQIW3vIjMS09ia2mfgxjZuimLRLj4MXLP4bDwaL13hjwj3di1Bves.3 QqVt_FgqOAtxM79AKk2s7m3oC0YYqs4uZfGXfbEeGetx_UBN3_gvL7W2Wp6B 7T2n7iTRji5BlTDtrSBTaBtxg5bEaADIyx3vgleUqhFhzZf8GZQLuqRoWYuV vL.iNnaW1dk0C8XH_zDRYT6aHWgWQHmlRR00lBBNtBEfFiSejXkg0hJPt_X6 SnT9Eq6Slgu9V_1lmDEgcoeVlGP77.TAAjq8Gx5qfOO_GFDb22Sbqv79xuYE hRiSE_WYV9AsIpVI1k5hy5ssKpD0s4B9P5DIpdueVUGFijA2pM3M0H0LimQd wBY0n1BLATNugRUJJE8EAWbAbjFURaWc8Nd8PEknW5bwdhyjQgNB.EDNeURr xsBGnWo1UPw_.aqJunnXmu7NV_bz7q5GVuGM9biwWQSjnkwOppdtKL1n0wpE iqv8SoK1zZ.KAcsY7m73pd_J.P5aMoegTh58- Received: from [70.254.187.254] by web80007.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:11:20 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,ZXZvIGRvb3IgbWVjaGFuaXNtIGlzIGNvbXBsZXRlbHkgZGlmZmVyZW50IGZyb20gdGhlIElWLVAKYnkgdGhlIHdheSBJIGRpZCBmaW5kIHRoZSBzb3VyY2Ugb2YgdGhlIHByb2JsZW0gYW5kIHN1Ym1pdHRlZCB0byBsYW5jYWlyIHRoZSBmaW5kaW5ncyBob3BlZnVsbHkKdGhlcmUgd2lsbCBiZSBzb21lIG1lc3NhZ2UgZnJvbSB0aGVtIHJlZ2FyZGluZyB0aGUgaXNzdWUuwqAKQWxzbyBpbiB0aGUgRXZvIHRoZXJlIGlzIGEgcmVhciBkb29yIHRoYXQgaG9wZWZ1bGx5IHdpbGwgbm90IGxvY2sgdGhlIHNhbWUgd2EBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.123.450 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1349716280.41344.YahooMailNeo@web80007.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Dr Andres Katz Reply-To: Dr Andres Katz Subject: Re: [LML] "Help, I'm locked in, and can't get out" Re: new evo trouble X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2033729354-806367095-1349716280=:41344" ---2033729354-806367095-1349716280=:41344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable evo door mechanism is completely different from the IV-P=0Aby the way I did= find the source of the problem and submitted to lancair the findings hopef= ully=0Athere will be some message from them regarding the issue.=A0=0AAlso = in the Evo there is a rear door that hopefully will not lock the same way a= s the pilot's door although=0Asame mechanism could do it. The good thing is= that in my failure mode the doors can be opened from the outside.=0Acheers= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "cwfmd@yahoo.com" =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Monday, October 8, 2012= 9:33 AM=0ASubject: [LML] "Help, I'm locked in, and can't get out" Re: new = evo trouble=0A =0A=0AIt's surprising that the new EVOlution missed the oppo= rtunity to fix, such a well known failure mode, at least to the 4-P operato= rs. Getting locked in your cockpit can be a significant safety hazard, in a= n emergency egress scenario. You don't discover the problem until the end o= f the flight. If we knew this condition existed, before takeoff, would we c= ontinue a=A0flight, without any=A0egress option? =0A=A0=0AThis has happened= , when someone locks the keylock with one latch open, as is often the case = after a flight.=0A=A0Then,=A0the pilot.forgot=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0"Keylock position:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Check" ,=A0= =A0=A0=A0 on exterior preflight,=0A=A0Since somebody has prelocked the latc= h, the pilot's locked in, without any interior release.=A0 It's just like w= hen you forgot to unfasten the child safety lock in your car. Only, a car h= as other doors to get out through (1).... (There are three=A0BIG design err= ors here: that you can "prelock" the latch this way, that there's no indica= tion or warning to the next pilot or crew, and no inside release! ) Some mi= ght suggest an alternative escape hatch as required on FAA certified USDA s= tuff. This is why there's a pressurized baggage door in the EVO.=0A=A0=0AYo= u can get out, if you can remove upholstery covers, to access the nut on th= e lock, if you brought your tools, and they are in the cabin with you. (In = some arrangements the dual handles obstruct the upholstery cover, making eg= ress even=A0more heroic.)=A0 Usually take 20-40 minutes, which can get hot = on the ramp, in summer. We have left a few bloodstains on some of the sharp= er parts and spring loaded stuff. =0A=A0An alternative is to hide your spar= e key and then entertain the line crew when you taxi up, with signs, hand s= ignals, yelling instructions,=A0and red face. This has happened once at San= ta Fe to an anonymous 4-P operator, but at least it was discovered, before = takeoff,=0A=A0=0ANote(0):=A0Above scenarios brought to you, from multiple 4= -P projects, with the original key lock installed.=0A=A0=0ANote (1) Mangled= grammar, by non-English Major... reminds me of Garrison Keeler's joke, aft= er rough landing an airliner, after the pilot keeled over.=0A=A0=0ATower: W= ho taught you to land?=0AKeeler: I'm an English major.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =A0(ie: not a pilot)=0ATower: By whom were you taught to land? ---2033729354-806367095-1349716280=:41344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
evo door= mechanism is completely different from the IV-P
by the way I did find the source of the problem and submitted to lan= cair the findings hopefully
there will be = some message from them regarding the issue. 
chee= rs


From: "cw= fmd@yahoo.com" <cwfmd@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: [LML] "Help, I'm locked in, = and can't get out" Re: new evo trouble

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It's surprising tha= t the new EVOlution missed the opportunity to fix, such a well known failur= e mode, at least to the 4-P operators. Getting locked in your cockpit can b= e a significant safety hazard, in an emergency egress scenario. You don't d= iscover the problem until the end of the flight. If we knew this condition = existed, before takeoff, would we continue a flight, without any = egress option?
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This has happened, when so= meone locks the keylock with one latch open, as is often the case after a f= light.
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 Then, the pilot.forgot
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 &n= bsp;            = ;       "Keylock position:    = Check" ,     on exterior preflight,
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 = ;Since somebody has prelocked the latch, the pilot's locked in, without any= interior release.  It's just like when you forgot to unfasten the chi= ld safety lock in your car. Only, a car has other doors to get out through = (1).... (There are three BIG design errors here: that you can "prelock= " the latch this way, that there's no indication or warning to the next pil= ot or crew, and no inside release! ) Some might suggest an alternative esca= pe hatch as required on FAA certified USDA stuff. This is why there's a pre= ssurized baggage door in the EVO.
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You can = get out, if you can remove upholstery covers, to access the nut on the lock= , if you brought your tools, and they are in the cabin with you. (In some a= rrangements the dual handles obstruct the upholstery cover, making egress e= ven more heroic.)  Usually take 20-40 minutes, which can get hot = on the ramp, in summer. We have left a few bloodstains on some of the sharp= er parts and spring loaded stuff.
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 An alternative is to = hide your spare key and then entertain the line crew when you taxi up, with= signs, hand signals, yelling instructions, and red face. This has hap= pened once at Santa Fe to an anonymous 4-P operator, but at least it was di= scovered, before takeoff,
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Note(0): Ab= ove scenarios brought to you, from multiple 4-P projects, with the original= key lock installed.
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Note (1) Mangled gram= mar, by non-English Major... reminds me of Garrison Keeler's joke, after ro= ugh landing an airliner, after the pilot keeled over.
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Tower: Who taught you to land?
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Keeler: I'm an Engl= ish major.           = ;            &n= bsp;         (ie: not a pilot)=0A
Tower: By whom were you taught to land?
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