Return-Path: Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.134]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:37:50 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id QAA21977 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:44:01 -0400 From: James Frantz Subject: Computed AOAs Sender: James Frantz To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <200008101644_MC2-AF5B-E767@compuserve.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Does the SFS unit actually know how many G's you're pulling? If so, the accuracy you credit it with should be good enough for stall warning, even if it assumes a gross weight. If not, it's no better than an airspeed indicator.< Aerodynamically, either a vane based AOA unit or a pressure based unit gives good AOA results. A problem with moving vanes and pressure probes is that they must be installed well ahead of the wing in order to be in undisturbed air. This is tricky for tractor driven aircraft such as our Lancairs and requires the installation of a long mast from which the vane/probe is attached. The advantages of the wing pressure tap approach is obvious. I'm not familiar with the SFS computed AOA so I am not commenting on its function specifically. Stall speed, best L/D, best approach speed, max endurance and Vx generally vary with the square root of the aircrafts gross weight and other things. For a Lancair the GW can vary by about 40%. Thus these speeds will vary by about 17% due to gross weight changes alone. FAR 23.207 requires that stall warners activate at not less than 5 knots but more than the greater of 10 knots or 15% of the stalling speed. This points out one of several problems with computing AOAs. The resulting accuracy of computed AOAs, which in the case for Lancairs could have errors of 17% due to GW alone, will not meet the FARs. There are other problems that contribute further to the problem of computing AOA increasing errors even further. However, I am a firm beliver in getting some type of stall warner on our aircraft and computed stall warners (computed AOAs) are much better than nothing. The facts are that we (experimentals) are running nearly double the fatality rate due to stall spins as compared to Part 23 certified aircraft. There are several reasons for the differences but the fact that Part 23 aircraft are required to have stall warners cannot be over looked and is significant in my opinion. When the Navy and Marines converted to AOA during approach, they cut their fatality rate in half that first year getting their pilots back aboard the ship! Nonetheless, true full range AOAs, such as the AOA Pro and Sport, are the ultimate aerodynamic instrument becasue they are self compensating for GW, CG, temperature, altitude, bank angle, "G" loading, attitude, flight path angle, humidity, etc. etc. Jim Frantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>