X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:15:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5735388 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:16:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=N66mg@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7U0FTBP022441 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:15:29 -0400 Received: from core-dsc002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.69]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9B8B9E000082 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:15:29 -0400 (EDT) From: N66mg@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <29ce3.409fe26f.3d700aa1@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 20:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29ce3.409fe26f.3d700aa1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 27 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.245.86] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479455360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d3389503eb0a1544b --part1_29ce3.409fe26f.3d700aa1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure that Barrett Performance are very good, but the guys on the west coast have a builder called LyCon and they are great...They are located in Visilia, CA...They build the engines for most of the air racers and guys that race in Reno Micvhael Giardino n7sz In a message dated 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes: "It's confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines." You sure about that ? ? ? Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: _John Barrett_ (mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com) To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 OK, Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my question. Still haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it?s almost 100% assured there is an engine tear down in my future ? and SOON. Lots of constructive input that I appreciate immensely. It?s confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines. John Barrett From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased power, same amount of gallons per hour and increase in speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 cents Michael Giardino n7sz L-IV 98% In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n5zq@verizon.net writes: John, I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines _http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html_ (http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html) in Tulsa for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you?ll never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you?ll get a family discount? :-) Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,05 hrs. N6ZQ IV under construction _http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/_ (http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/) From: _John Barrett_ (mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com) Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 Hello all, I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in solving it. I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno?s problem with his engine and various others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP with this power plant. To that end I?ve been monitoring it closely and have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems. All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element ? non magnetic. Last oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has been doing the oil analysis. I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem is figured out. He says the only metal found is aluminum and he?s never seen or heard of that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal showing up in excess as well because there isn?t a place in the engine he?s aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum. I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door was not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings ? 80/75 to 77. I don?t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this metal. I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt?s during warmup but other than that I can?t think of anything out of the ordinary. Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem? Reards, John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com --part1_29ce3.409fe26f.3d700aa1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sure that Ba= rrett=20 Performance are very good, but the guys on the west coast have a builder ca= lled=20 LyCon and they are great...They are located in Visilia, CA...They build the= =20 engines for most of the air racers and guys that race in Reno
Micvhael=20 Giardino
n7sz
 
In a message dated 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
=
"It's confirmed what we all have known for few years. = ;=20 Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance=20 Engines."
 
Yo= u sure=20 about that ? ? ?
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 John Barrett
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4= :30=20 PM
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performan= ce=20 Engine TSIO 550

OK,

 

Thanks=20 to the many who responded on List and off to my question.  Still= =20 haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it?s almost 100%= =20 assured there is an engine tear down in my future ? and=20 SOON.

 

Lots=20 of constructive input that I appreciate immensely.

 

It?s=20 confirmed what we all have known for few years.  Almost all (good)= =20 roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines.

 

John=20 Barrett

 

From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re:=20 Performance Engine TSIO 550

 

To=20 all that need a good engine rebuilder,  I had my Glasair engine re= built=20 by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, thats = ;when=20 I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased powe= r,=20 same amount of gallons per hour and increase in speed...From 183kt= s to=20 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what they promised...Th= at's=20 my 2 cents

Michael Giardino

n7sz =20 L-IV  98% 

 

In=20 a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 n5zq@verizon.net writes:

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I ha= ve a=20 Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett Precis= ion=20 Engines http://www.bpaengines.co= m/site.html=20 in Tulsa for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that = many=20 others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, yo= u?ll=20 never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on = the=20 list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendatio= n.=20 Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you?ll get a family=20 discount? :-) 

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Bill= =20 Harrelson

N5ZQ = 320=20 2,05 hrs.

N6ZQ=  =20 IV under construction

http://www.mykitlog.com/h= arrelson/

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From:=20 John Barrett=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM

Subject:=20 [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550

 

Hello=20 all,

 

I have a quandary with= this=20 engine and am hoping to get some help in solving it.

 

I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it= runs=20 quite well.  Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno?s problem= with=20 his engine and various others I was highly concerned about the safety= of=20 operating my L-IVP with this power plant.  To that end I?ve been= =20 monitoring it closely and have been doing frequent oil changes to loo= k for=20 developing problems. 

 

All parameters have be= en good=20 except there was silicone early on in the oil (first change was at 5 = hours=20 then at about 15, then at 35 hours and another later on.) and a sligh= t=20 elevation in aluminum.  Second oil change still have the silicon= and=20 aluminum was much higher.  Also there was a bit of metal flakes = in=20 the filter element ? non magnetic.  Last oil change was even hig= her=20 aluminum and silicon still elevated.  The oil filter element loo= ked=20 like it had glitter applied to it.  Blackstone has been doing th= e oil=20 analysis.  I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton=20 (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and= =20 advised to quit flying until the problem is figured out. =20

 

He says the only metal= found is=20 aluminum and he?s never seen or heard of that.  Always in his=20 experience there would be some other metal showing up in excess as we= ll=20 because there isn?t a place in the engine he?s aware of the aluminum = rubs=20 against aluminum.

 

I discovered after the= second=20 oil change that the alternate air door was not closing completely and= that=20 probably explains the silicon.

 

I did compression chec= k a=20 couple of days ago and got normal readings ? 80/75 to=20 77.

 

I don?t have a plan ab= out how=20 to trouble shoot the origin of this metal.  I notice that cylind= er #5=20 runs hottest egt?s during warmup but other than that I can?t think of= =20 anything out of the ordinary.

 

Does anyone have a sug= gestion=20 about how to  sleuth out this problem?

 

Reards,

 

John Barrett,=20 CEO

Leading Edge=20 Composites

PO Box=20 428

Port Hadlock, WA=20 98339

 

www.carbinge.com

 

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