X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:52:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [198.64.152.110] (HELO sdc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5733390 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:03:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.64.152.110; envelope-from=Ronald@sdc.com Received: from [192.168.0.2] [68.202.61.147] by sdc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.1.0.270) id a7680001363e77a3; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:02:22 -0400 From: Ronald STEVENS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AB3F4CDF-774F-44B4-A852-60C9AEEE7EAD" Subject: Re: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:02:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) --Apple-Mail=_AB3F4CDF-774F-44B4-A852-60C9AEEE7EAD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 In my opinion, SOON, should be NOW, no kidding I had an Performance = Engine on my Velocity and the bolts came of from the cylinders as they = were torqued wrong. I had 2 bolts coming off the engine and going = through the propeller. Thank god they actually damaged the prop so we had to start looking for = the why....well it was ugly. This engine had only 200 hours on it. Oh and I did managed to talk to them 1 time, and they came with some BS = story that the bolt might broke off because of some gas trapped inside = the metal......sure.....and they believe in Santa too lol We had a rocker failure before (at 100 hours) and for me this engine was = a nightmare. Definitely do the overhaul, get the engine back to specs, = and forget about the 400HP they claim....is BS anyway, as you will never = use this, not even on takeoff as you really do not need 400hp to take = off in a IV-p So do yourself and your family a favor...... Just my opinion, Ronald On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, John Barrett wrote: > OK, > =20 > Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my question. = Still haven=92t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it=92s = almost 100% assured there is an engine tear down in my future =96 and = SOON. > =20 > Lots of constructive input that I appreciate immensely. > =20 > It=92s confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all = (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines. > =20 > John Barrett > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = N66mg@aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 > =20 > To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine = rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, = thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with = increased power, same amount of gallons per hour and increase in = speed...=46rom 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what = they promised...That's my 2 cents > Michael Giardino > n7sz L-IV 98%=20 > =20 > In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = n5zq@verizon.net writes: > John, > =20 > I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to = Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html in Tulsa = for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others = have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you=92ll = never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the = list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. = Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you=92ll get a family = discount? :-)=20 > =20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs. > N6ZQ IV under construction > http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: John Barrett > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 > =20 > Hello all, > =20 > I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in = solving it. > =20 > I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due = to the worries related to Fred Moreno=92s problem with his engine and = various others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my = L-IVP with this power plant. To that end I=92ve been monitoring it = closely and have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing = problems.=20 > =20 > All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in = the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours = and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil = change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there = was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element =96 non magnetic. Last = oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil = filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has = been doing the oil analysis. I sent the last filter element to Howard = Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised = to quit flying until the problem is figured out.=20 > =20 > He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=92s never seen or = heard of that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal = showing up in excess as well because there isn=92t a place in the engine = he=92s aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum. > =20 > I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door = was not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. > =20 > I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings =96= 80/75 to 77. > =20 > I don=92t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this = metal. I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=92s during warmup but = other than that I can=92t think of anything out of the ordinary. > =20 > Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem? > =20 > Regards, > =20 > John Barrett, CEO > Leading Edge Composites > PO Box 428 > Port Hadlock, WA 98339 > =20 > www.carbinge.com > =20 --Apple-Mail=_AB3F4CDF-774F-44B4-A852-60C9AEEE7EAD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 In my opinion, SOON, should be NOW, no kidding I = had an Performance Engine on my Velocity and the bolts came of from the = cylinders as they were torqued wrong. I had 2 bolts coming off the = engine and going through the propeller.

Thank god = they actually damaged the prop so we had to start looking for the = why....well it was ugly. This engine had only 200 hours on = it.
Oh and I did managed to talk to them 1 time, and they came = with some BS story that the bolt might broke off because of some gas = trapped inside the metal......sure.....and they believe in Santa too = lol

We had a rocker failure before (at 100 = hours) and for me this engine was a nightmare. Definitely do the = overhaul, get the engine back to specs, and forget about the 400HP they = claim....is BS anyway, as you will never use this, not even on takeoff = as you really do not need 400hp to take off in a = IV-p

So do yourself and your family a = favor......

Just my opinion, = Ronald


On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:30 = PM, John Barrett wrote:

OK,
Lots = of constructive input that I appreciate = immensely.
It=92s = confirmed what we all have known for few years.  Almost all (good) = roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines.
John = Barrett
From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 = 5:03 AM
To:  [LML] Re: Performance = Engine TSIO 550
 
To all that need a good engine rebuilder,  I had my = Glasair engine rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and = installed, thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so = smooth and with increased power, same amount of gallons per hour = and increase in speed...=46rom 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, = they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 cents n5zq@verizon.net writes: