X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:30:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with SMTP id 5732858 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:54:04 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.142; envelope-from=ralphlove@stanfordalumni.org Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 16:53:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 16:53:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2012 16:53:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 961511.27406.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 64701 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2012 16:53:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6cN8JM0VM1mfns6x4XFPTHlCj6Lm1RpbZCq7.ymKhPjJUQQ 5Qw0G8htAZkmW12yZPLp5oEyhD5rVQf4ppuNOIH8cmWvyLmCcwIvDWpkpUIX x.x16zHL978B4xLwSKmMNXuMm5uD9UvNVPkzSJy6DsPCSblY4.owNcgHwbDb 81I3WfreQQwAUbfFz9hiK6mx5JbsgXty79obSasDCiuJ7tV.Gv3rhbF9rUap uzeKmdszzIohQ6US0E1FO97hkBLer91xKLmd6KIUWpqA7fmhFBbDwtkxW03t SFWS2.sXKRz4R_2nJL9CpVLQhqF4CiB8XJ4gmJExgpu76P1TteJLyufSieWQ WJhjEsOfqcCaTCfvdLCRLQomif68qrCOQUMIBObTs2FMvBoGyTwoBKGiqcYS bhDawuZzTKmGNxrMvG0xRavbhOe9ljox0tJt_hXb6LVk31BcuJTYEFJeldPm D.xfn_5IaSkYSrDLYwjvUwkvRnZUUuvQtk_2HUPAEihn5fQwrfeO8zagoly2 .mziSRFT_JM0i0ln7JwhP7KTebX7Hm0eW5Ufg3cGqbXgY5HnOXIDG6UY8cwB GvMElS.bc5LbhBE3tVszqRYAuuMpj8P68YnU5bJPTMRRwdRLesc0LxSayttj 4Sdv4L6LTN6czOo5bsJQhpnIxMocycq_JBLh2FA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O0s9NnaswBCimploNHufwcJQi58B5NjMy.C2WAjfZjgmjJOd Received: from [10.0.27.166] (ralphlove@71.0.138.139 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 09:53:27 -0700 PDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 References: From: Ralph Love Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0A816284-0D27-4055-80F2-97BD03B78AB7 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <25F3E85F-989C-428A-A2DF-0DBB3208747F@stanfordalumni.org> X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:15:01 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) --Apple-Mail-0A816284-0D27-4055-80F2-97BD03B78AB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I totally agree. Monty Barrett said my engine was about to have a catastrop= hic failure due to a bearing out of place when the engine was built. Ralph Love Pink Panther Legacy N122PT On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "Bill Harrelson" wrote: > John, > =20 > I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett Pr= ecision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html in Tulsa for complete te= ardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others have had with Perfo= rmance. Even if no metal was showing up, you=E2=80=99ll never have any confi= dence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list who has dealt with= Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite the bullet and send it= to Barrett (maybe you=E2=80=99ll get a family discount? :-)=20 > =20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs. > N6ZQ IV under construction > http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: John Barrett > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 > =20 > Hello all, > =20 > I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in solvi= ng it. > =20 > I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due to th= e worries related to Fred Moreno=E2=80=99s problem with his engine and vario= us others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP with= this power plant. To that end I=E2=80=99ve been monitoring it closely and h= ave been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems.=20 > =20 > All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in the oi= l (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and anothe= r later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil change still ha= ve the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there was a bit of metal f= lakes in the filter element =E2=80=93 non magnetic. Last oil change was eve= n higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil filter element looked= like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has been doing the oil analy= sis. I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Okla= homa) and he expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem i= s figured out.=20 > =20 > He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=E2=80=99s never seen or he= ard of that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal showi= ng up in excess as well because there isn=E2=80=99t a place in the engine he= =E2=80=99s aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum. > =20 > I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door was n= ot closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. > =20 > I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings =E2=80= =93 80/75 to 77. > =20 > I don=E2=80=99t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this m= etal. I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=E2=80=99s during warmup bu= t other than that I can=E2=80=99t think of anything out of the ordinary. > =20 > Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem? > =20 > Regards, > =20 > John Barrett, CEO > Leading Edge Composites > PO Box 428 > Port Hadlock, WA 98339 > =20 > www.carbinge.com > =20 --Apple-Mail-0A816284-0D27-4055-80F2-97BD03B78AB7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I totally agree.  Mon= ty Barrett said my engine was about to have a catastrophic failure due to a b= earing out of place when the engine was built.

Ralp= h Love
Pink Panther
Legacy N122PT

On Aug 2= 6, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "Bill Harrelson" <n5zq@verizon.net> wrote:

=
=
John,
 
I have a Performance Engine. With zero time= on=20 it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpae= ngines.com/site.html=20 in Tulsa for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many ot= hers=20 have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you=E2=80=99ll n= ever have=20 any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list who has d= ealt=20 with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite the bullet and sen= d it=20 to Barrett (maybe you=E2=80=99ll get a family discount? :-) 
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs.
N6ZQ  IV under construction
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550
 

Hello all,

 

I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to g= et some=20 help in solving it.

 

I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs q= uite=20 well.  Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno=E2=80=99s problem with= his engine=20 and various others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L= -IVP=20 with this power plant.  To that end I=E2=80=99ve been monitoring it clo= sely and=20 have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems. =20=

 

All parameters have been good except there was silico= ne early=20 on in the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hour= s=20 and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum.  Second oil=20= change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher.  Also there= was=20 a bit of metal flakes in the filter element =E2=80=93 non magnetic.  La= st oil=20 change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated.  The oil fi= lter=20 element looked like it had glitter applied to it.  Blackstone has been=20= doing the oil analysis.  I sent the last filter element to Howard Fento= n=20 (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised t= o=20 quit flying until the problem is figured out. 

 

He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=E2=80= =99s never seen=20 or heard of that.  Always in his experience there would be some other m= etal=20 showing up in excess as well because there isn=E2=80=99t a place in the engi= ne he=E2=80=99s=20 aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum.

 

I discovered after the second oil change that the alt= ernate=20 air door was not closing completely and that probably explains the=20 silicon.

 

I did compression check a couple of days ago and got n= ormal=20 readings =E2=80=93 80/75 to 77.

 

I don=E2=80=99t have a plan about how to trouble shoo= t the origin of=20 this metal.  I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=E2=80=99s durin= g warmup but=20 other than that I can=E2=80=99t think of anything out of the ordinary.<= /o:p>

 

Does anyone have a suggestion about how to  sleu= th out=20 this problem?

 

Regards,

 

John Barrett, CEO

Leading Edge Composites

PO Box 428

Port Hadlock, WA 98339

 

www.carbinge.com<= /a>

 

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