Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #62145
From: Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Request for Help
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:09:41 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
When flying solo, I typically land with about a 1/2 full header tank to help keep some weight aft.  I also put two small 6 pound bags of sand (shot bags refilled with sand from the construction days of old) at the rear of the baggage area when flying solo.  Although landing without the bags is fine, I use them to somewhat keep the stick out of my gut a little bit during the final flair and touchdown phase.  The only time I land with a full header tank is when I have a passenger, as it assists in reducing the angle of attack a little bit on flair/touchdown and, thus, I can almost see the runway over the nose.
 
Since the 235 airframe only has about 22 degrees of down flap travel (19 degrees during flight) with its top hinge construction, reducing the flap setting for landing is not much of an option.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2 235/320  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Request for Help

Jim,

My O-320 flies the same way as yours. One thing that you can do to get more up elevator is to use less flaps.

I usually land with 20° to 30° of flaps. Sometimes, with a full header and only myself flying, I find that I don't have enough elevator for landing. Raising the flaps by 10° solves the problem. This knowledge comes from 1,850 hours on the plane and a few hard landings.

Lorn

> From: Jim Guldi <guldi.jim@gmail.com>
> Date: May 28, 2012 1:17:00 PM EDT
>
> I own one of the early 235s with an 0235 and small tail. The plane is definitely sensitive and VERY easily over controlled...I think that is most of the problem. I also believe people don't tell all ie problems they have had for fear of others opinion. I think the tail is big enough. It seems from what I can gather the elevator can run out of pitch control on landing causing a hard nose landing. My answer is to not land on a full header tank. I don't really have that much time but I have solved my understanding/learning curve Hope this is of some help...jim Guldi CFI  

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