X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s39.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.54.51.76] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5566039 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:49:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.51.76; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from SNT112-DS16 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s39.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 29 May 2012 09:48:36 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [71.84.173.173] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Request for Help In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:52:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08CF_01CD3D80.BCF78A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.20.0091.1100 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:52:17 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2012 16:48:36.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4186DB0:01CD3DBA] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08CF_01CD3D80.BCF78A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When flying solo, I typically land with about a 1/2 full header tank to = help keep some weight aft. I also put two small 6 pound bags of sand = (shot bags refilled with sand from the construction days of old) at the = rear of the baggage area when flying solo. Although landing without the = bags is fine, I use them to somewhat keep the stick out of my gut a = little bit during the final flair and touchdown phase. The only time I = land with a full header tank is when I have a passenger, as it assists = in reducing the angle of attack a little bit on flair/touchdown and, = thus, I can almost see the runway over the nose. Since the 235 airframe only has about 22 degrees of down flap travel (19 = degrees during flight) with its top hinge construction, reducing the = flap setting for landing is not much of an option. Gary Edwards LNC2 235/320 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lorn H Olsen=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Request for Help Jim, My O-320 flies the same way as yours. One thing that you can do to get = more up elevator is to use less flaps. I usually land with 20=B0 to 30=B0 of flaps. Sometimes, with a full = header and only myself flying, I find that I don't have enough elevator = for landing. Raising the flaps by 10=B0 solves the problem. This = knowledge comes from 1,850 hours on the plane and a few hard landings. Lorn > From: Jim Guldi > > Date: May 28, 2012 1:17:00 PM EDT >=20 > I own one of the early 235s with an 0235 and small tail. The plane = is definitely sensitive and VERY easily over controlled...I think that = is most of the problem. I also believe people don't tell all ie problems = they have had for fear of others opinion. I think the tail is big = enough. It seems from what I can gather the elevator can run out of = pitch control on landing causing a hard nose landing. My answer is to = not land on a full header tank. I don't really have that much time but I = have solved my understanding/learning curve Hope this is of some = help...jim Guldi CFI =20 ------=_NextPart_000_08CF_01CD3D80.BCF78A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When flying solo, I typically land with about a 1/2 full header = tank to=20 help keep some weight aft.  I also put two small 6 pound bags of = sand (shot=20 bags refilled with sand from the construction days of old) at the rear = of the=20 baggage area when flying solo.  Although landing without the bags = is fine,=20 I use them to somewhat keep the stick out of my gut a little bit during = the=20 final flair and touchdown phase.  The only time I land with a full = header=20 tank is when I have a passenger, as it assists in reducing the angle of = attack a=20 little bit on flair/touchdown and, thus, I can almost see the runway = over the=20 nose.
 
Since the 235 airframe only has about 22 degrees of down flap=20 travel (19 degrees during flight) with its top hinge construction, = reducing=20 the flap setting for landing is not much of an option.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2 235/320  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 = 8:09 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Request for = Help

Jim,

My O-320 flies the same way as yours. One = thing=20 that you can do to get more up elevator is to use less flaps.

I = usually=20 land with 20=B0 to 30=B0 of flaps. Sometimes, with a full header and = only myself=20 flying, I find that I don't have enough elevator for landing. Raising = the=20 flaps by 10=B0 solves the problem. This knowledge comes from 1,850 = hours on the=20 plane and a few hard landings.

Lorn

> From: Jim Guldi = <guldi.jim@gmail.com>
> = Date:=20 May 28, 2012 1:17:00 PM EDT
>
> I own one of the early = 235s with=20 an 0235 and small tail. The plane is definitely sensitive and VERY = easily over=20 controlled...I think that is most of the problem. I also believe = people don't=20 tell all ie problems they have had for fear of others opinion. I think = the=20 tail is big enough. It seems from what I can gather the elevator can = run out=20 of pitch control on landing causing a hard nose landing. My answer is = to not=20 land on a full header tank. I don't really have that much time but I = have=20 solved my understanding/learning curve Hope this is of some help...jim = Guldi=20 CFI  

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