Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #61680
From: <bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:00:39 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Jeff, does this mean that I need a bigger #4 fuel injector?

 

From: vtailjeff@aol.com [mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:55 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder

 

not enough  fuel flow to keep it cool.

-----Original Message-----
From: bronnenmeier <bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:53 am
Subject: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder

Dear subscribers,

 

Since we are talking about hot cylinders I got one question that bothers me:

I have a plenum and I tried to do a very anal job in sealing all the leaks around the engine – I followed Fred Moreno’s instructions there.

I have different temperature patterns amongst the cylinders for different situations.

LOP cruise: #2 is the warmest and is usually between 330 and 370 depending on altitude, humidity, fuel flow etc. – always very cool no issue at all

Climb 32” MAP, 2500 1/min, full rich : cylinder 4 wants to get warm and I keep the airspeed around 180 in order to stay below 400F. This is the situation I am not really happy about – if I don’t pay attention on a warm day the #4 will get above 400F

Climb 2500 1/min, full rich, full throttle: even temperature profile amongst the cylinders. Engine runs generally cooler and airplane climbs faster.

 

I tried to watch the EGTs and see if #4 is running lean but I could not tell a difference in the EGT. #4 has the dip stick pipe and more hoses that could influence airflow.

 

Any idea why #4 is warmer at 32”?

 

Thanks for your help

 

Ralf

 

From: schroder [mailto:schroder@timesync.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:56 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder

 

Pete, can you post pictures of this scoop and oil cooler box?  Thanks

dave

 

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:14 AM

Subject: [LML] Re: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder

 

#2 was also my hottest cylinder.  First I installed the cupped insert that was listed in one of the on-line articles that allows the air to flow around the shallow fins on the oil cooler side of #2.  I learned that TCM cylinders have asymmetric depths on the fins on the left vs right sides.  The left sides have very deep channels between the fins, while on the right side the cylinder barrel comes right up to the top of the cooling fins.  This means that the oil cooler box effectively blocks the cooling air from going around to the lower right side of the cylinder. 

 

However, even with the cupped insert, #2 was still my hottest.  At that point I remembered that my engine, which I got from a salvage of Adam aircraft inventory, came with a piece of baffling for the oil box that had a scoop installed inside the oil box that directed air around to the lower right side of the cylinder.  The scoop was ¾” deep at the top and flush at the bottom, and about 3” wide.  I moved this scoop from the discarded Adam baffling piece onto the Lancair oil box (the hole was nearly the same size as the previous dished shaped part I had installed before).  Not only did this solve my #2 CHT problem (it is now one of my coolest cylinders), but it did not noticeably affect oil temps.  A win-win.

 

Pete

 

From: John Barrett [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 9:02 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: TSIO 550 Hot #2 cylinder

 

Looking for advice for this problem.  Oil cooler door may help a little but the trade off of oil temp increase vs CHT increase is a trap at high power climb and in slow flight.  Two hours of flight time and problem is consistent up to about 8,000 or 9,000 ft.  One idea suggested is to fair the inside top of the intake cowl on the left side because turbulence here will decrease the airflow to the top left side of the engine.  One person indicated he did this with a IVP and achieved a 20 degree drop in EGT by doing this. 

 

Anyone else have experience with that?

 

Thanks in advance and to those who have sent congratulatory emails.

 

Regards,

 

John Barrett, CEO

Leading Edge Composites

PO Box 428

Port Hadlock, WA 98339

 

 

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