Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #61674
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: L320 flap setting
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:54:35 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

I have a tendency to give NASA reports more credibility . . . even if they do not reflect EXACTLY some other implementation.
 
Adding flaps is little different from adding camber to a symmetrical wing. It does increase the coefficient of lift . . . as much as a factor of two in some cases.
. . . and when the added camber (too much flap) creates more turbulence than redirected air flow, you get more drag vs. more lift . . . usually some measure of both.
That's what sloted flaps are all about, to minimize the added drag when extended.
But keep in mind that even if you do get a 2 times coefficient of lift with flaps, your air speed can only be reduced to 0.7 (lift is proportional to the square of speed)
 
Ref: Theory of Wing Sections gives good detail on many wing shapes and the effect of flaps and pitching moments.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: L320 flap setting

Wolfgang,
 
Regardless of what the NASA report says, they never flew the wing as implemented by Lancair.  Extension of the flap more than a few degrees beyond 0 does little for lift.  The pitching moment does change the attitude, but does not significantly change the stall speed (a few knots is not significant).  The drag addition is significant.  The AOA is another story.  While the attitude changes with flap extension, the AOA is still high and slower speeds just brings one closer to a stall, thus reducing margins to take care of loss of pilot attention, wind shear, distractions and anything that leads to mis-application of up elevator with pitch sensitive controls.  It is very easy to reach critical AOA at slow speeds, with or without flaps..............
 
Scott Krueger 
 
In a message dated 4/16/2012 7:20:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
-7 to -10 isn't going to make much difference in flight. If the latest manual says to use -7 then go for it.
 
The purpose of reflex flaps is to reduce drag (lets you go faster) while giving up some lift coefficient. At higher speeds you don't need that extra lift coefficient.
Reflex will also move the center of lift forward causing a nose up force affecting the trim needs.
 
For landing, you give extra flap to increase the lift coefficient (and the drag) so you can go slower without falling out of the sky.
 
See attached file for more details.
 
Wolfgang
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Gray
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:01 AM
Subject: L320 flap setting

I have the exact concerns reported by Rob Stevens in Australia.  Since the manual is vague on cruise flap settings, can some experienced L320-360 fliers help us with what is the best cruise settings?  Is it -7deg. , -10deg., or somewhere else.  Since construction variances can create different “faired-in positions”, is there an angle which can be measured from the top or bottom wing surface?  Can anyone explain the aerodynamic reasons for reflexed flaps?  Rob and I need help!

Ed Gray Dallas  L360 N77ZG XP360 Silver Hawk injection MT 3 blade prop Dual Dynon Skyview SL30



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