X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5398427 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:25:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=SaV1h4tu c=1 sm=0 a=3hPmXwMz5qWHYDjgwjh6XA==:17 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=xBPpGeURAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=zRhDDxO6d_CgAToyoRQA:9 a=hpm721TPWBjpb35StYkA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=iuB8e3IDldMA:10 a=JhyW7vv7qLMA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=biznXsr5AAAA:8 a=F8vA1TznHzyU2gg3ClQA:9 a=X3GQiwUH-IglmI-7Y1kA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=amP8cGQ10gkA:10 a=3hPmXwMz5qWHYDjgwjh6XA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.253.11.97 Received: from [67.253.11.97] ([67.253.11.97:49986] helo=WilliamHP) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EC/83-10690-03ECB3F4; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:24:32 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Bill Wade" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 4P X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCEBCB.FFEBE580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCEBCB.FFEBE580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As shown in Craig=E2=80=99s picture, is there a chance that cabin = pressure might collapse the bellows around the shaft, possibly = immobilizing the linkage? Perhaps if they were mounted on the interior of the box so that they = would be inflated instead... A circlip = http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/circleclamp.php or = =E2=80=9CHerbie clip=E2=80=9D = http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/herbieclips.php around the = neck of the bellows would keep it from leaking. A blowout *BANG* might = be disconcerting but I don=E2=80=99t think it would interfere with = operation. -Bill Wade From: John Barrett=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:24 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: 4P Where does one acquire the bellows? Haven=E2=80=99t seen those = before. =20 Thanks, John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Craig Berland. Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:13 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] 4P =20 Yes, my plane has similar traits. I have attached a picture of the = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D kit aileron seal and a rubber bellows which I = think will fix the problem. I have purchased the bellows but have not = got around to installing them. A lot of IV-P drivers with the new flat = plate sliding seal have complained about high aileron stick force. Craig Berland N7VG I just purchased a 4P It only has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging stage I took it up 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got really heave and stiff that even the auto pilot would not control it While descending the Controlls became gradually lighter and normal Anybody had the same experience? =20 Tony Ketelaars =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CCEBCB.FFEBE580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  As shown in Craig=E2=80=99s picture, is there a chance that = cabin pressure=20 might collapse the bellows around the shaft, possibly immobilizing the=20 linkage?
 
Perhaps if they were mounted on the interior of the box so that = they would=20 be inflated instead... A circlip ht= tp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/circleclamp.php =20 or =E2=80=9CHerbie clip=E2=80=9D ht= tp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/herbieclips.php=20 around the neck of the bellows would keep it from leaking. A blowout = *BANG*=20 might be disconcerting but I don=E2=80=99t think it would interfere with = operation.  -Bill Wade
 
From:=20 John=20 Barrett
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:24 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: 4P
 

Where=20 does one   acquire the  bellows?  = Haven=E2=80=99t  seen those=20 before.

 

Thanks,
John=20 Barrett

 

From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Craig=20 Berland.
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:13 = AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML]=20 4P

 

Yes,=20 my plane has similar traits. I have attached a picture of the = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D kit aileron=20 seal and a rubber bellows which I think will fix the problem.  I = have=20 purchased the bellows but have not got around to installing them. A lot = of IV-P=20 drivers with the new flat plate sliding seal have complained about high = aileron=20 stick force.

Craig=20 Berland

N7VG



I just = purchased=20 a 4P
It only has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging = stage
I took=20 it up 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got = really
heave and=20 stiff that even the auto pilot would not control it
While descending = the=20 Controlls became gradually lighter and normal
Anybody had the same=20 experience?
 
Tony=20 Ketelaars
 

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