X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:50:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTP id 5360373 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:32:00 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.68; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dyJE+cuG7CyruE6KpLa1iI0x17/ltOr81mlr2I1AB+OW+Y1cjOaW7Qp+PwGPzDf1; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.73.82.72] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Rp8kn-00022B-RR for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:31:26 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-64--1064749063 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup X-Original-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:31:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <0B88CD4C-C1F0-45FB-AC29-2EA3E85844E8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9404119c3f03a54fa0d636e9efda7f0d2e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.73.82.72 --Apple-Mail-64--1064749063 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If there's any more information on that, I would be interested. I = googled everything I could think of and didn't get any hits. Colyn On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Matt losangeles wrote: Isn't a wet pump something that if it does fail, could destroy the = internals of your engine? I am assuming it uses engine oil, I know = nothing about them. At least a dry pump doesn't cost you an engine = overhaul. =20 Matt From: thomas williams To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup a wet vacuum pump is VERY reliable compared to the dry pumps.=20 From: Colyn Case To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:42 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup you made a leap there. There are a variety of factors that can take out your primary PFD, only = one of which is lightning. ...and these are things you can't do much about other than fly VFR. The original question was, if you are going to have a backup, what kind = of backup is preferred. I don't have the parachute yet. sorry. On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote: So do all of you guys who are saying those without spinning mass backups = are "dead men walking" have all of the following safety features in = their planes: - Active traffic system - Satellite weather - Active terrain avoidance - De-icing system - Halon fire extinguisher for the engine compartment - Airframe parachute (RDD has installed one in an ES-P and can do the = same in any IV or ES) I can go on and on. Flying is a series of measured risks. I find it = hard to believe there have been more fatal accidents resulting from = planes getting hit by lightning while in IMC than by mid-air collisions, = inadvertent flight into bad weather, CFIT, engine fires, airframe = mechanical issues, or icing. Unless you have installed every available = safety system on your plane, then I think you need to tone down the = certainty and authority of your opinion. As some famous person once said, everyone is entitled to their own = opinions, but not their own facts. Pete -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Apple-Mail-64--1064749063 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii If = there's any more information on that, I would be interested.  I = googled everything I could think of and didn't get any = hits.

Colyn

On Jan 20, 2012, = at 3:32 PM, Matt losangeles wrote:

Isn't a wet pump something that if it does fail, could destroy the = internals of your engine? I am assuming it uses engine oil, I know = nothing about them.  At least a dry pump doesn't cost you an engine = overhaul.
 
Matt

From: thomas williams <tfsent@att.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net =
Sent: Friday, = January 20, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge = Backup

a wet vacuum pump is VERY reliable compared to the dry pumps. =


From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>To: lml@lancaironline.net =
Sent: Friday, = January 20, 2012 4:42 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge = Backup

you made a leap there.
There are a variety = of factors that can take out your primary PFD, only one of which is = lightning.
...and these are things you can't do much about other than = fly VFR.
The original question was, if you are going to have a = backup, what kind of backup is preferred.

I don't have the parachute yet.  = sorry.

On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.com= wrote:

So do all of you guys who are saying those without = spinning mass backups are "dead men walking" have all of the following = safety features in their planes:

- Active traffic system
- = Satellite weather
- Active terrain avoidance
- De-icing = system
- Halon fire extinguisher for the engine compartment
- = Airframe parachute (RDD has installed one in an ES-P and can do the same = in any IV or ES)

I can go on and on.  Flying is a series of = measured risks.  I find it hard to believe there have been more = fatal accidents resulting from planes getting hit by lightning while in = IMC than by mid-air collisions, inadvertent flight into bad weather, = CFIT, engine fires, airframe mechanical issues, or icing.  Unless you have installed = every available safety system on your plane, then I think you need to = tone down the certainty and authority of your opinion.

As some = famous person once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but = not their own facts.

Pete


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