X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5358020 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:00:46 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.112; envelope-from=tfsent@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 18:00:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 18:00:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 18:00:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 703534.61109.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30657 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2012 18:00:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rxBnCHXdWVm0nWw9yJzgcpOQYC1alouLC611ZHmnjOCEUY9QmmaI3QYLy9A5F4HjaCHdmRhpp9Mk7cpvsdoCWAUOYd/OsOdzsGLni7bO/kre58PJl1kdd0VGoyLyfAp5iakyb5qW7NmeusA6XejR9X/6Fb6XxoR60JKQpxGu2Jc=; X-YMail-OSG: 1wjGuYMVM1nYdn6Qe1vyMoKecax0mmbCFyJoXjrNps5FoCp 8dPK5cvGHMXx2LmsY5zzgzioF3up1G8HhERRPEIbr2LbKjuZwOV4DTdrPoSD 3jhmavKfia._7j9.9fOgLhVRS0lnaQeLyoyC5S63MW6SMp9yVm4CuAwUzyby o8nuuxXl_a6wNa9o27MBLg3PcMLX3rrb0o38JBMEMlVmOWPs2791n6YJAjpJ ghnkWzhSxeikn1AmH3X8iUaJOs2M6FPP_TU6pOOfSgjtXWBlB_8lsqVQegaj GBOdvTzD8Yh_ehQpGw48wd8CSKm3lQocJ1UUIHhoYdK2_RrffpzahFWmQ0_u vqDaZrnluOz.uPapSbqHA2Glp_3VF63dAKeW7wg1d4ImWE1XS.DODLju1cxj 2DYtYhOCp4vVesheqjLCc Received: from [72.234.129.7] by web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:00:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1327082409.88829.YahooMailNeo@web180304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: thomas williams Reply-To: thomas williams Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1952832855-2109974815-1327082409=:88829" ---1952832855-2109974815-1327082409=:88829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a wet vacuum pump is VERY reliable compared to the dry pumps. =0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Colyn Case =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:4= 2 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup=0A =0Ayou made a leap there.= =0AThere are a variety of factors that can take out your primary PFD, only = one of which is lightning.=0A...and these are things you can't do much abou= t other than fly VFR.=0AThe original question was, if you are going to have= a backup, what kind of backup is preferred.=0A=0AI don't have the parachut= e yet.=A0 sorry.=0A=0AOn Jan 20, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.co= m wrote:=0A=0ASo do all of you guys who are saying those without spinning m= ass backups are "dead men walking" have all of the following safety feature= s in their planes:=0A=0A- Active traffic system=0A- Satellite weather=0A- A= ctive terrain avoidance=0A- De-icing system=0A- Halon fire extinguisher for= the engine compartment=0A- Airframe parachute (RDD has installed one in an= ES-P and can do the same in any IV or ES)=0A=0AI can go on and on.=A0 Flyi= ng is a series of measured risks.=A0 I find it hard to believe there have b= een more fatal accidents resulting from planes getting hit by lightning whi= le in IMC than by mid-air collisions, inadvertent flight into bad weather, = CFIT, engine fires, airframe mechanical issues, or icing.=A0 Unless you hav= e installed every available safety system on your plane, then I think you n= eed to tone down the certainty and authority of your opinion.=0A=0AAs some = famous person once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but no= t their own facts.=0A=0APete=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mai= l.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and un= sub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ---1952832855-2109974815-1327082409=:88829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
a wet vacu= um pump is VERY reliable compared to the dry pumps.
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From: Colyn Case &= lt;colyncase@earthlink.net>
To= : lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:42 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup

=0Ayou made a leap there.
There are a variety of factor= s that can take out your primary PFD, only one of which is lightning.
..= .and these are things you can't do much about other than fly VFR.
The or= iginal question was, if you are going to have a backup, what kind of backup= is preferred.

I don't have the parachute yet.  sorry.

O= n Jan 20, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wr= ote:

So do all of you guys who are saying those without spinning mas= s backups are "dead men walking" have all of the following safety features = in their planes:

- Active traffic system
- Satellite weather
-= Active terrain avoidance
- De-icing system
- Halon fire extinguisher= for the engine compartment
- Airframe parachute (RDD has installed one = in an ES-P and can do the same in any IV or ES)

I can go on and on.&= nbsp; Flying is a series of measured risks.  I find it hard to believe there have been = more fatal accidents resulting from planes getting hit by lightning while i= n IMC than by mid-air collisions, inadvertent flight into bad weather, CFIT= , engine fires, airframe mechanical issues, or icing.  Unless you have= installed every available safety system on your plane, then I think you ne= ed to tone down the certainty and authority of your opinion.

As some= famous person once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but n= ot their own facts.

Pete


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