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Jeff,
Yep. You should see the list of accidents from failures in spam can
systems - cheesy electrical components, cheap voltage monitors, useless fuel
gauges, crappy hoses, inattentive A&Ps, yada, yada, yada.
Experimental aircraft builders have an opportunity to do
better. Uh, sometimes no better, sometimes worse.
Oh well.
Grayhawk
In a message dated 1/17/2012 2:23:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
Sure and while you are at it please read
this accident
report--http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/olqrjt45jkgiqlzaq5gle03h1/I01172012120000.pdf
NTSB Identification: LAX08LA066 14 CFR Part 91: General
Aviation Accident occurred Tuesday, February 26, 2008 in Murrieta/Temecu,
CA Probable Cause Approval Date: 05/06/2009 Aircraft: Bartle Lancair
IV-P, registration: N811HB Injuries: 3 Serious,1 Uninjured.
The pilot reported that the engine lost power while on approach for
landing in the amateur-built experimental airplane. Unable to reach the
airport, the pilot initiated a forced landing in hilly desert terrain
resulting in structural damage to the airframe. Inspection of the modified
engine revealed that it was equipped with an electronic ignition system
consisting of two capacitive discharge modules with direct crank sensors. Two
five-amp fuses in the electrical circuit for the ignition system were found
blown. Inspection of the electrical system found no failures of the physical
airplane wiring. The pilot, who built the airplane, stated that he designed
the ignition system's electrical circuit with the intention of providing
electrical redundancy to the ignition system. Examination and testing of the
design as installed demonstrated that a minor voltage differential between the
main and redundant power source created a condition that routed the current
flow for both ignition sources through a single fuse, resulting in a single
point of failure. According to the ignition manufacturer, the recommended
wiring configuration that would allow ignition power redundancy did not
include the addition of a common bus bar as was found on the accident
airplane. The positioning of the automotive fuses on the firewall prevented
the pilot from accurately identifying the electrical failure.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s)
of this accident as follows: A total loss of engine power while on
approach due to the electrical overload of a fuse caused by the builder's
inadequate design and installation of the electrical ignition
system.
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Message----- From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill@charter.net> To: lml
<lml@lancaironline.net> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 1:00 pm Subject:
[LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup
Hey! I
recognize that attached schematic ... from Klaus.
It suggests using the aux battery to power just one ignition, but I think
I'd rather have both ignitions and put in a heavier 9AH battery.
How? Would this work? Delete the power select switch, connect the
power select terminals instead, add a second Schottky where the word MAIN is,
and put a (power select -- now) voltmeter switch between the existing
lead and a second lead from the voltmeter to the MAIN side of the added
Schottky?
My fuzzy logic suggests that
If both alternators are out, the CB(s) will pop; electrical use reduced,
and then both batteries will power on longer. When the voltmeter starts
down, switching the voltmeter to read from either side of the second Schottky
would tell whether the master battery is failed or not... and to land
sooner?
Hmmm. More complicated than just adding a battery, breaker, diode
and switch.
Maybe I could just add a battery, the diode and breaker, the second
diode, and delete the power select switch Klaus calls for?
Terrence
Terrence,
Yes. You have jogged my creaky memory about the direct
connect. And yes. See: http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerschottkydiodes.htm for
the type I use because of the low voltage drop. That is, it can be
used to isolate the backup battery from the main yet still be charged in
flight. See attachment.
Scott
Scott,
Ok.
Since my LSI dual ignition and prop are hot direct from the battery,
how about just adding plus and minus separate lines from the 2nd battery
to the ignition and electric prop switches?
And, should I have Schottky diodes ... somewhere to keep the stby
battery charged normally, yet isolate it in case of main battery
shorts?
(Sorry for the simple questions... I'm electrically
challenged.)
Terrence
Terrence,
If you have a dual LSI ignition, you should have a backup battery
for one of the ignitions.
Scott
Brent,
here's mine. I also have my AOA vane on
the wing. Have an Odyssey battery, B&C alternator and a
backup small standby alternator; and a Garmin 396 w/ its
battery. Can't think of a senario where I couldn't maintain control
if I lost all electrical, except 5 vdc for the LSI
ignition. Considering adding an small backup battery in parallel,
or just for ignition. Comments
invited.
Terrence L235/320 N211AL
On Jan 15,
2012, at 9:39 AM, Brent Regan wrote:
> Ed Gray writes: "I
have no steam gage backups. With dual screens, backup batteries
and dual ADHRS I feel that I have enough redundancy. Does anyone
have input or comment? This plane may be one of the first with
no round gauges anywhere."(sic) > > Dead man
flying. > > Regards > Brent Regan > >
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