Return-Path: Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.240]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:39:08 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([206.171.33.51]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXP005NM7IS97@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:29:39 -0700 From: fmoreno4@postoffice.pacbell.net Subject: Backups for All Electric Airplanes To: Lancair List Reply-to: fmoreno4@pacbell.net Reply-to: lancair.list@olsusa.com Message-id: <396F4E02.76C4E183@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> For Ted Noel and others: My LIV equipment list is virtually the same as yours with dual alternators, dual batteries, dual busses, SFS equipment and Garmin 430. I based my electrical design on Bob Nuckoll's work with modifications. 1) I disagree with Bob about the need for an avionics switch, and included it if for no other reason than to eliminate any bone of contention with the avionics black box suppliers if I have equipment problems. 2) The avionics bus is fed by either the A bus or the B bus through an A-off-B switch. 3) In case of contact failures or in the unlikely chance that both alternators check out, I have bypass feeds via selector switches ("emergency feed") from batteries to the busses. Either battery can supply either buss. They are wired for only 20 amps, and require that the aircraft be powered down to minimal power consumption or the fuse back by the battery box will let go. The contactors pull about 1 amp each, so to prolong battery life in the event of dual alternator failures, I can use the emergency bypass lines. 4) There is one failure that Nuckolls missed. If you leave the master on and flatten the batteries (I would never do such a thing, would you?) in the dual battery dual bus system, the ground power contactor connects with only one battery, and there being no power in the other battery, the second battery contactor can not be engaged because the battery is flat. The fix is a diode to feed power to the second battery (though a power resistor to prevent the inrush current from frying the diode) that puts some charge into the second battery sufficient to permit the second battery contactor to be engaged. I read Mike DeHate's comment about internal alternator failure. It points out the need for some way to isolate the alternator via a fuse failure or contactor. I think a large power fuse (which should be included anyway) would be adequate, but maybe not if the internal short is intermittent (vibratory). It bears thinking about, and suggests that alternator contactors are worthwhile, and could be energized by a two pole switch that also energizes the alternator field. Alternately, if one alternator has a short, the alternator and associated bus can be isolated, avionics fed from the other bus, and the flight continued with the remaining bus while the alternator and associated battery commit hari kari. However, I would think the alternator fuse would prevent excessive fireworks if the current levels get too high. Comments appreciated. For backup instrumentation, I have assumed that the Sierra Flight Systems equipment checks out for some reason, and so I have included the following: 1) Airspeed indicator 2) Altimeter 3) Electric artificial horizon (a bit expensive but cheap compared to a vacuum system) 4) Turn Coordinator (required for the S-Tec autopilot) 5) Whiskey compass I was persuaded that the VSI is not necessary for backup. The SFS system has a VSI displayed, and moreover with the SFS way point selector and display, one can plan descents merely by placing the velocity vector on the way point (at a specified height above the ground) and just aim for the way point. Also, for the Garmin 430 I have a Garmin VOR/LOC/ILS display which also functions as a backup GPS as well as VOR/LOC/ILS. Hope this helps. If you have additional questions about the architecture of the power distribution system, let me know. Fred Moreno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>