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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: How do I run lean of peak?
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:09:42 -0400
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Danny,
 
If you understand your engine, it is wise to have the LOP tool in your kitbag.  I fly both ways because, it depends.  At altitude my, uh, enhanced  IO 320 may burn 9 gph ROP and 7 gph LOP with the excruciating speed penalty of maybe 5 KIAS.  I carry 43 gallons and consider the 9 gallons in the header as reserve.  That means the remaining 34 gallons is what I got.  Let's say 30 for loss due to taxi and climb.  At 9 gph I can stay aloft for 3 hr 20 min.  At 7 gph that goes to 4 hr 15 min.  ROP, 195 KTAS is a range of about 650 NM.  LOP, 190 KTAS is a range of about 815 NM.  Lets see, to visit my son in Austin (KARR to 3R9, 826 NM) ROP I would have to stop for fuel and that always takes an hour (descend, land, fill, climb out, etc.). So, at 195 KTAS that's 5:15 (4:15 + 1) and LOP at 190 KTAS it takes 4:20 minutes, no stopping.  One January I made it from Chicago to Tampa in just under 4 hours LOP and with 50 Knot tailwinds.  I landed with 13 gallons in the tanks.
 
On the other hand, I have turned a measured 202 Knots on the 2006 AirVenture race flying at 2000 MSL, 2640 rpm, WOT, ROP (about 14.3 gph).
 
Regardless, you should perform the GAMI lean test to make sure each cylinder is producing the same power.  If not, there are possible ways to improve cylinder closeness without necessarily changing injector size.  
 
It's OK if you think the course is pricey, it is.  PLUS, you will get the pitch for GAMI injectors.  However, at least read the Pelican's Perch articles (AVWEB archives) Nos 63, 64, 65 and 66. They have been very useful. 
 
Grayhawk 
 
In a message dated 8/21/2011 1:10:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, danny.miller@verizon.net writes:

I’m not convinced of the ROI for spending $995 on this course in my particular case.  As an example, for my LNC2 with an IO-360, if I burn 9 gph running ROP and 8.5 gph running LOP (best case scenario), how long does it take to recover the expense?  To keep it simple, let’s say I spend $6/gal.  So, that’s $995 x gal/$6 / 0.5gph = 331.7 hrs, or about 3 years of flying.  So, the question becomes, is it worth all the hub bub?  Again, for me, I think not.  For you guys with the high burn rates, maybe so.  But what is your actual hourly saving and is it worth the additional stress on your engines for the potentially much lower TBO?  You decide and your mileage may vary.

 

Danny Miller

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"

 

From: Steve Colwell [mailto:mcmess1919@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:40 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: How do I run lean of peak?

 

Claudette and I attended the Advanced Pilot Course a couple of years ago.  Of the 50 or so attendees, (and there were skeptics,) I don’t think anyone left without agreement their procedures are the best way to operate an engine.  The presentation is easy to follow with complete explanation of what is happening and why.  Any remaining questions are answered and everything is documented.  The cost of the course should be easily amortized by fuel savings and reduced maintenance.  They even provide very comfortable swivel chairs. 

 

Steve Colwell  Legacy IO-550

 

 


Subject: [LML] How do I run lean of peak?

 

If you operate your engine ROP at high power settings you have a much greater chance of damaging your engine than by anything you might do LOP.

 

The next Live APS class is October 7-9.

 

Walter Atkinson

Advanced Pilot Seminars

 

 

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